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Old 25th October 2018, 20:12
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A crisis has developed since mid-September over the transfer of the S-300 air defence system to Syria by Russia.

I have written two blog posts on the subject, the first of which discusses just what the Russians delivered to Syria, while the second emphasises the core problem - Russia's ever closer embrace of rogue states.

https://airlandbattle.wordpress.com/...-syria-russia/

https://airlandbattle.wordpress.com/...s-but-limited/

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Old 26th October 2018, 08:38
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

I thought the problem was Israel attacking Syria's strategic assets ..........
You say the S300's are located in a dangerous area - dangerous to who?
"Axis of Evil" - a bit dramatic, don't you think? Those in the middle-east would have the same label for the western powers continually bringing rebellions and war to their countries ........
And no, I am not a sympathiser. I just don't believe all the BS they tell us.
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Old 3rd November 2018, 14:07
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

Somehow I detect strong smell of double-standards. For example, how come Iran and Syria are "rogue states" (rogue according to whom?) but Saudi-Arabia is not? I am not aware that Iranians or Syrians have used their foreign embassies as slaughterhouses for unpleasant journalists, for example. Or the hard fact that Syria under Bashar al-Assad has been the most Christian-friendly Arab nation in the area by far. Even Iran is better for its Christian minority than Saudi-Arabia. In fact, Saudis could handle the Middle Eastern asylum tourist problem on its own, yet nobody seems to ask that why Saudis are not welcoming their Islamic brothers in. Instead, the same people who are so keen to point out "rogue states" are perfectly happy to see e.g. England turning into a society in which basic democrartic rights like freedom of speech are supressed to appease certain throat-cutting minorities.
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

Guys

this is about postwar missile systems not Middle East politics.

Keep it focused.
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Old 4th November 2018, 04:12
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

I thought we were discussing the second blog Dan directed our attention to, headed by the attached, that ends with -
"the critical issue at hand is not the S-300, but rather Russia's growing alliance with the rogue regimes of Iran and Syria"
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

Dan,

Great work and very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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Old 4th December 2018, 12:39
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Great work and very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Danny,

You are most welcome!
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

Just on your appreciation of the S-300 system on the deployment, my humble opinion is that your comment that this small deployment will be overwhelmed by a full Israeli or US attack is irrelevant.

Yes it will be overwhelmed in this case, but the last operation of this kind was launched in 2003 when Iraq was attacked. Since then the usual air operation is involving a small number of aircraft, and so even one modern SAM battery could be enough to counter such an attack, especially in our world where the loss of an aircraft will be seen as a big issue, not even to speak of the fate of the crew.

Still the past history has shown that a modern air force can sweep missile defences with relatively light losses, but it is more a political move than a military one. So the idea is to SHOW the batteries rather than hide them as will be more logical on a pure military level. By the way there is still the possibility that other hidden batteries are deployed.

But the most important part is the fact that these batteries are displayed just near Russian ones, and so any attack on a Syrian position may result in a serious incident with Russia. And that is probably the main reason that will stop the USA, and very probably Israel too, to attack them, or the targets they protect.

As for you second article on Russia joining the Axis of Evil, Russia is the only country in the world I can think of that invaded and annexed foreign territory (according to international law) in the current century. So if one country deserves to be called rogue state by the US, it is Russia. I don't see any difference in what Iran is doing in the area in the last years compared to what Saudi Arabia or the USA are doing. The terrorists that are active those days are rather based or supported by Saudi Arabian or Pakistanese networks, two US allies, than by Iran.

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will stop the USA, and very probably Israel too, to attack them
Thank you for your interest in the topic, Laurent. The main point that you made concerning the missile deployment is that it is designed to deter Israeli or US attack by creating the danger of a confrontation with Russia. That is superficially the case, but in fact the situation is rather more acute. Russia, by interposing its aerial defence systems between Israel and Iranian forces which are seeking Israel's destruction, is making it inevitable that over time Israel or other Western forces will be forced to attack. It is probable that there will be Russian military fatalities once such an attack takes place. Indeed, there is a precedent.

In 1970, the Soviet Union deployed the 18th Special Surface to Air Missile Division and fighter units to Egypt. These units suffered fatalities during Israeli operations, most famously when five Soviet MiG-21s were shot down and four pilots killed in Israeli Operation Rimon 20. At that time, Israel did not wish to continue the fighting, because the USSR was a superpower and the events were taking place relatively far from Israel's main population centres. Russia is much weaker than the USSR and the threat to Israel's civilian popualtion is much greater now, so Russia's deployment is more likely to invite an attack than to deter one.

As to the source of terrorism in the Middle East, this is a matter of publicly known facts, see https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/rm/287317.htm:

"Iran is the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism. Period. It has held that dubious distinction for many years now and shows no sign of relinquishing the title.
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Let me give you some numbers. This may sound hard to believe, but Iran provides Hizballah alone some $700 million a year. It gives another $100 million to various Palestinian terrorist groups. When you throw in the money provided to other terrorists, the total comes close to one billion dollars.

Let’s pause to consider that, because it bears repeating: The Iranian regime spends nearly a billion dollars a year just to support terrorism."
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Re: The S-300 missile system in Syria - two posts discussing the crisis

Atlantic Charter, 2. clause:"territorial adjustments must be in accord with the wishes of the peoples concerned;". Crimean majority favoured the change of hands.
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