Me 262 A-1a Yellow 23 at Brunnthal dump?

[Karoband]

Good afternoon,

On page 337 of Norbert Loy's Der Feldflugplatz Brunnthal, (2016), there appears to be a nose-less fuselage of a Me 262 in solid dark green camouflage behind W.Nr. 130015. The number, I think, is "23", appearing to be in yellow with a thin white surround, in the fighter unit position behind the cockpit in front of the balkenkreuz. Any ideas as to its identity?

best regards,

Jim

[Dan O'Connell]

Any possibility of a scan of the photo? Thanks in advance, Dan

[Karoband]

I'm sorry, Dan. I don't have the technology. Perhaps another member who has Loy's book would post the photo?

Jim

[edNorth]

Mr. Loy understands not much English, so he is not here.
Try ask some of Loys helpers. Like me (!) or Strahljaeger (he is member here).
Mr David E. Brown left the ship before this was first put to sail.
Book has "typos" (more by choosing than intent) but is good in my opinion.

Id of Me 262 A-1a/U3 "White outline 34" is not known.
I have books contents with me but not the book.
Much too large to take with me. Needed cargo plane to bring it along.

Ed (helper)

PS. Dan/Jim we usually ask for photo reproducing permissions, don't we?
--- I have no idea who took that photo/source.

[Broncazonk]

Originally Posted by Karoband

I'm sorry, Dan. I don't have the technology. Jim

1) If you own a smart phone, activate the camera and take a clear close-up of the book photo. A cell phone camera will take a surprisingly good image of a book image. You can even zoom in, and select a square image.

2) The cell phone photo of the book photo will now be in your "Photos" or "Gallery" tab on your cell phone.

3) If you look at this forum from your cell phone, you can up-load the photo directly from your phone to a post right here.

4) If you access this forum from a desktop or laptop, then email the image from off of your phone back to yourself, and then check your email on your computer. Save the image on your desktop, and up-load the photo to a post per usual.

Bronc

[edNorth]

Bronc, please ....
I think you are not up to date with copyright rules / laws.

[David E. Brown]

Hi Jim,

The aircraft in question is not an Me 262 but an Arado At 96 B coded "ro.23+" of an unknown training unit. A glace at the photo reveals the exposed Argus As 10C inline motor partially covered by the tail of the Me 262 "V015", WNr.130015. The Arado is missing its canopy but the rear faring remains and does look similar to that of an Me 262.

Regarding the Me 262 A-1a/U3 "we.34" of 7./EJG 2, its Werknummer is 500252.

Cheers,

David

[Karoband]

Hi David,

I'm wiping the egg off my face. It was the hump behind the cockpit that misled me. I ruled out Bf 109, FW-190 and Me 410 before I posted. Never thought of a trainer. Thank you for the correction. My apologies to everyone.

Jim

[Stig Jarlevik]

David

Your answer made me curious. What you say regarding WNr 500252 is completely at odds with what Dan O'Connell states in his Me 262 Production Log.

Looking next at WNr 130015, Brunnthal is not an option in Dan's book either.

Any explanation please?

Cheers
Stig

[David E. Brown]

Jim,

No need for apologies. At first glace the fuselage does indeed look like that of an Me 262 though for the Ar 96 the faring is more pronounced. Indeed, I dumped the photo in a folder within my Me 262 files as I first assumed that it was an Me 262 that required further study.

Stig,

I cannot speak for Dan but will state that I worked with him on his Me 262 files prior to and during the research phase of his book. Everyone worked with what available data that could be obtained. Certainly in the subsequent 11 years more information has been found and knowledge generated that together adds to, confirms, or corrects information presented in the book.

Regarding White 34, this information was an outcome from my research associated with that of my colleagues Tomas Poruba and Jan Vladar for the JaPo book we authored on the Me 262 and Ar 234: "Messerschmitt Me 262 Production & Arado Ar 234 Final Operations". Dave Wadman and I had copies of the well known photos of the V015 since the early 1990s but did not know where they were taken except that it was in the Munich area. As Ed notes above, subsequent research later confirmed that it was definitely located at Brunnthal. Ironically, there were many photos taken of the wrecks there that were published for years, but only in the last five or so years was the location finally determined.

Dan maintains his database, and I welcome (and value) his comments on this discussion and any others related to the Me 262.

Cheers,

David