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Old 20th January 2021, 12:15
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Unknown wreckage

Hello Experts,

I ask you for help. I was handed out a photo with an unknown wreckage.
Probably it was not an army plane, but could have flown during WWII. earlier or later.
Gerhard Stemmer thinks it was a Hungarian plane, maybe a Savoia Marchetti.
A handwriting in German says : St. Anton, Schwarze Wand (Black Wall).

Can you give any more info, according to your experience?

Many thx for your suggestions in advance.
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Old 20th January 2021, 12:27
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Re: Unknown wreckage

The shape of the fin and rudder points to a Savoia Marchetti of some kit, but if there are other clues visible (flap sizes, dihedral?) I can't identify them.
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Old 20th January 2021, 13:02
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Re: Unknown wreckage

perhaps https://www.tt.com/artikel/13403644/gletscher-gab-neue-spuren-vom-todesflug-1944-frei
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Old 20th January 2021, 13:17
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St. Anton

It's probably not useful but I feel that St. Anton (Sankt Anton) sounds Austrian so this accident would have happened in Austria. "Schwarze Wand" is the precise location where it took place: "Black Face" (a mountain face).
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Old 20th January 2021, 13:21
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Re: Unknown wreckage

Possibly, Schnautzer is right, we could see some figures in the wreck, something like 5 nd 82 the Si204 that crashed on 17.th of March 44, was 251082 ....VA+ZG, started from Prag-Rusin at 15h05...



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Old 20th January 2021, 13:21
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Re: Unknown wreckage

This is actually the wreckage of the Potez 25A2 No.1 which crashed into Isabelle glacier when returning to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes from the 2nd Flying Meeting in Zurich on 24 August 1927. Both the pilot Dragomir Pajević and observer Živorad Petrović succumbed to their wounds.


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Old 20th January 2021, 13:22
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Re: Unknown wreckage

A brilliant theory collapse !!
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Old 20th January 2021, 17:52
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Re: Unknown wreckage

Before my
final remark to the great solution by Boris Ciglic,
just the question: Where is the Isabelle Glacier?
No google answer found. Switzerland ???

So long
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Old 20th January 2021, 19:52
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Re: Unknown wreckage

Three aspects to Ciglic ´s solution:

Ciglic s great photo is undoubtedly referring to my photo. It is our crash.


His time data should be correct,
the crash is not mentioned under Safty Network. Attachment.

Surprisingly the Izabel (Isabelle) galcier could be found until now.

Who can comment? Thx.
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Old 20th January 2021, 20:59
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St. Anton?

I still suspect it could be this one:

Found at Wikipedia (English): - There are more search results -

St Anton am Arlberg

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Sankt Anton am Arlberg in February 2016

Sankt Anton am Arlberg is located in Austria

Coordinates: 47°07′N 10°16′ECoordinates: 47°07′N 10°16′E
Country Austria
State Tyrol
District Landeck

Area[1]
• Total 165.81 km2 (64.02 sq mi)
Elevation 1,304 m (4,278 ft)
Population (2018-01-01)[2]
• Total 2,372
• Density 14/km2 (37/sq mi)
Time zone UTC+1 (CET)
• Summer (DST) UTC+2 (CEST)
Postal code
6580
Area code 05446
Vehicle registration LA
Website www.stantonamarlberg.com

(There is a photograph) St. Anton seen from the main piste into the centre of town.
Sankt Anton am Arlberg, commonly referred to as St. Anton, is a village and ski resort in the Austrian state of Tyrol. It lies in the Tyrolean Alps, with aerial tramways and chairlifts up to 2,811 m (9,222 ft), yielding a vertical drop of 1,507 m (4,944 ft). It is also a popular summer resort among hikers, trekkers and mountaineers.
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