Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 20th February 2019, 21:52
cz_raf cz_raf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Czech Republic, Prague
Posts: 250
cz_raf
RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Hi all, I am trying to decipher meaning of some codes used by the Bomber Command RAF during operation in 1940-1941. I have found several of them in debriefing reports and so far I have a very little success in decoding:

BAR - probably emergency release of bomb load (not sure)
FTR - ?
FTV - ?
NAP - ? (probably something to do with the bombs?)
NGZ - bombs on target
WJR - ?

Any help will be much appreciated

TIA


Pavel
__________________
http://cz-raf.webnode.cz
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20th February 2019, 22:18
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,793
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

In reports on operations, FTR is usually "Failed To Return".
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 20th February 2019, 22:33
cz_raf cz_raf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Czech Republic, Prague
Posts: 250
cz_raf
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Thanks Nick, but this should be a code sent by wireless operator of the bomber to the ground station so it should have some different meaning.
In all cases there is always a time + code with no other infromation except well known QDM when there is stated the course and station which has provided it.



Pavel
__________________
http://cz-raf.webnode.cz
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20th February 2019, 23:05
MW Giles MW Giles is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 704
MW Giles is on a distinguished road
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Not clear if you are saying these come from debriefing reports or from messages sent from a/c

If debriefing report then FTR is very likely Failed to Return

Do the letters take the form ABCxxx where xxx is a two or three figure number?

If so then they might be the sortie number for the raid, which was a system that was used early in the war. It is not a straight forward system but each squadron got a three letter code (nothing to do with what was painted on the side of the aircraft). These codes were changed very regularly. Each sortie would be referred to by the code and then a number, which went up in sequence. For example three a/c on a raid could be TOB175, TOB176 and TOB177. If the letters are changed regularly either randomly or when you get to 999 then anyone listening in from the other side cannot tell which squadron the letters relate to.

If this is not it then can you give an example of the use of each of your abbreviations - context is usually everything

If you find four letters followed by four numbers e.g ABCD 4567 then that is usually a map co-ordinate

Martin
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21st February 2019, 02:11
RSwank RSwank is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Bloomington, IN USA
Posts: 2,019
RSwank is on a distinguished road
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Reference here to NGZ meaning "Bombs Gone".

https://books.google.com/books?id=qg...signal&f=false


NAP mentioned here, but meaning is not clear (search for NAP on page):

https://75nzsquadronremembered.wordp...ch-office-log/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 21st February 2019, 21:09
cz_raf cz_raf is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Czech Republic, Prague
Posts: 250
cz_raf
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Thank you for additional inputs.
Martin, I am sorry, my description might be a little bit confusing, I will try to describe the source better.
It is a folder of debriefing reports but for each raid there is sometimes an additional sheet of paper with something what we can call a timeline where all signals received of each aircraft of this squadron is recorded in manner:


23:55 NGZ
02:15 QDM, 223 deg
etc.


So FTR for sure does not mean "Filed to return". Actually I am thinking about a possibility that it means meeting with an enemy fighter, but I have no prove for this.


Pavel
__________________
http://cz-raf.webnode.cz
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 21st February 2019, 23:19
Carsten Petersen Carsten Petersen is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 217
Carsten Petersen is on a distinguished road
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

QDM Magnetic bearing to a station
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 21st February 2019, 23:33
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,793
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: RAF Bomber Command signals used in 1940-1941

Quote:
Originally Posted by cz_raf View Post
So FTR for sure does not mean "Failed to return". Actually I am thinking about a possibility that it means meeting with an enemy fighter, but I have no prove for this.

Pavel
You could be right. I've seen "ftr." (lower case letters, full stop) used as an abbreviation for fighter in operations summaries etc.
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Researching the Luftwaffe through Prisoner Interrogations Bruce Dennis Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 61 23rd February 2023 14:19
RAF and RAAF ORBs available on the Web (new version) Laurent Rizzotti Allied and Soviet Air Forces 66 12th May 2020 13:14
Franz Gotz JG53 keith A Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 6 24th August 2015 09:19
Operation Jubilee aircrew list Steve49 Allied and Soviet Air Forces 39 12th December 2010 22:00
Pilots' Forenames Steve Brew Allied and Soviet Air Forces 0 14th June 2008 11:26


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:18.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net