II.(Schlacht)Lehrgeschwader 2

[Evgeny Velichko]

Reasons? Highly-intensive combat missions, small-caliber gunfire, crashes on take-off and landing. That was enough for Bf109's, flying low-level strafing attacks over the Belostock area, wich was filled with troops.

[Rottler]

Hello andrus,

because of two double entries in the GenQu. loss reports actually 14 Bf 109 and 3 Hs 123 were lost on these two days.

Here the loss reasons are listed:

Ursache/cause 1 (= Totalverlust durch Feindeinwirkung auf Feindflug vermisst)
3 Bf 109 E-7

Ursache/cause 20 (= Totalverlust ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag)
5 Bf 109 E-7 (3 Startunfälle/start accidents, 1 Notlandung/emergency landing, 1 Absturz/crash)

Ursache/cause 21 (= beschädigt ohne Feindeinwirkung mit Feindauftrag)
3 Hs 123 B-1 (1 Startunfall/start accident, 2 Landeunfälle/landing accidents)
1 Bf 109 E-4/B (Startunfall/start accident)
5 Bf 109 E-7 (2 Startunfälle/start accidents, 3 Notlandungen/emergency landings).

Regards
Leo

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

I have attached one of the strength reports of the II./(Schl.) LG 2. We can still disagree - but this is how the Luftwaffe General Staff saw the unit. Hopefully someone will come up with the original order with the full details you want in the future.

Regards,
Andreas B

Hi Andreas,
My question concerns the the strength report of the II./(Schl.) LG 2you attached here...how does one read this ? My second question is where in the archives did you find it ?

Thanks in advance
oquaig

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, oquaig

You could start by reading this and the subsequent blog posts on deciphering the strength reports:

https://aviationhistorynorway.blogsp...h-reports.html

Regards,
Andreas B

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, all

Commenting on the unusual high losses on June 22nd and 23rd 1941. These were the immediate start of Barbarossa - were LG 2 was heavily involved in attacks on ground troops - and as we know the Bf 109 was in no way impregnable to small arms fire flying at low level...

But - in this case it was more the conditions of the airfield that led to a high number of aircraft losses:

Suwalki - 5 aircraft damaged in ground handling:

3 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'zusammenstoss beim Start'

Berzniki - 7 aircraft damaged during approach or shortly after landing and 2 during take-off:

2 aircraft 'beim Start ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'Notlandung' - could be due to damage obtained during operations
2 aircraft 'bei Landing ausgebrochen'
2 aircraft 'Bruchlanding'
1 aircraft 'Absturz'


In addition 3 aircraft were lost in the Grodno area - these likely being combat losses.

Uffz. Bodden and Uffz. Wolf returned to the unit unhurt, so I would not be surprised if photos exist of the emergency landed L + and H + exist - unless they parachuted to safety.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Evgeny Velichko]

Yes, belly-landed /\+L photo exist, I can sent it to You if need.

Also, landing accidents occure often, when mainwheels were shot through by enemy small arms fire.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, Evgeny!

AS I have the possibility to attach photos to the loss records on my site now a copy would be nice as it will also appear on the loss record when I post a link.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Evgeny Velichko]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, Evgeny!

AS I have the possibility to attach photos to the loss records on my site now a copy would be nice as it will also appear on the loss record when I post a link.

Regards,
Andreas B

Here You are. Russland, summer 1941. Possibly aircraft You need.

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, oquaig

You could start by reading this and the subsequent blog posts on deciphering the strength reports:

https://aviationhistorynorway.blogsp...h-reports.html

Regards,
Andreas B

Thank you very much Andreas. Just what I needed to know.
regards
oquaig