Info needed on Ме-110 F2 W.Nr. 4547 LN+MR JG5

[harrison987]

Curious if there is any further reason for loss? Appears to be over Russia.

[Matti Salonen]

I have "Beschuß von P-40. Bruch 100 %".

Matti

[sidney]

According to JFV 9/III, 13.(Z)/JG 5 loss-list, page 504, date 13 August 1942, there was a Sonderführer, probably a PK Kriegsberichter, aboard this aircraft - SdFhr. Hans Kuhnke.

[harrison987]

thanks guys

[John Vasco]

Was this the crew of von Rabenau/Schröder?

[sidney]

John,

According to the aforementioned source, yes.

Regards,
Sinisa

[Rottler]

In the Gen.Qu. loss report from 15 August 1942 are listed

F Lt Hans von Rabenau vermisst
Bf Uffz Karl Schröder vermisst
Sdf Hans Kuhnke vermisst.

Correction from 23 August 1942 cc):
Sdf Kuhnke, Uffz Schröder unverletzt zurück.

Regards
Leo

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by Rottler

In the Gen.Qu. loss report from 15 August 1942 are listed

F Lt Hans von Rabenau vermisst
Bf Uffz Karl Schröder vermisst
Sdf Hans Kuhnke vermisst.

Correction from 23 August 1942 cc):
Sdf Kuhnke, Uffz Schröder unverletzt zurück.

Regards
Leo

Karl spent three days behind Russian lines, hiding during the day and travelling towards the German lines at night.

There was a reason v. Rabenau & Karl were sent to the 'naughty' Staffel from ZG 1.

[John Manrho]

I have von Rabenau with ZG 1 from the early days on.....why was he send north?

J.

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by John Manrho

I have von Rabenau with ZG 1 from the early days on.....why was he send north?

J.

Karl-Fritz Schröder told me the following:
On 10/6/42 v. Rabenau & Karl undertook a mission in S9+SL, and had to make an emergency landing in a corn field.
It was found that the aircraft still had the fin/rudder locks on!
It was the responsibility of the pilot to check everything connected to the airworthiness/flyabilty of the aircraft before take-off.
Karl told me the fault for the fin/rudder locks being on the aircraft was solely that of the pilot, as it was one of his exterior checks to be undetaken before take-off on any flight.
However both he and v. Rabenau were grounded for a week.
Karl then flew for a short time on missions with Lt. Kötz and Fw. Lußky.
He and v. Rabenau were then posted to JG 5, as both were deemed culpable of the fin/rudder lock offence. Karl was understandably quite miffed at being found guilty of a matter that was not his responsibility at all!
He told me JG 5 was the unit that aircrew were sent to if they had committed offences, etc.. I did not disbelieve him, since he was the one on the spot and knew about such things.

That's how the crew of von Rabenau & Schröder ended up with the Zerstörer Staffel of JG 5.