RK Johannes Meinicke,RK Günter Hitz kill,RK Immo Fritzsche

[nikkel]

Hi Guys,

Searching for information regarding the loss of
Hauptmann and RK Johannes Meinicke kill 4.9.1943 and

Hauptmann and RK Günter Hitz kill 11.4.1944,

Hauptmann and RK Immo Fritzsche kill 13.12.1943

can anyone help further please?

Regards Mike

[Matti Salonen]

1943-09-04, 1./Schl.G 1, FW 190A-6, 550199, G weiße, Bei Bresinow Mutino, nordöstlich Kiew (Pl.Qu. 3253), Absturz infolge Flakbeschuß und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Hptm Meinicke, Johannes, +
1944-04-11, 1./SG 77, Ju 87D-5, 141077, S2+LH, 3 km südwestlich Chodazkow, Absturz infolge Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer (Staffelkapitän) Hptm Hitz, Günter, vermißt
Beobachter Fw Eschenbacher, Kurt, vermißt
1943-12-13, 8./Schl.G 2, Ju 87D-5, 131102, T6+AD, Batysmann, 1 kn nordöstlich Schiroskaja (Pl.Qu. 2985), Notlandung infolge Erdbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer (Staffelkapitän) Hptm Fritzsche, Immo, verletzt (Hptm Fritzsche am 1943-12-14 seinen Verletzungen erlegen)

Matti

[nikkel]

I want to thank you for all the information you gave me!
regards
mike

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Matti

I am a bit confused about the last victim from 8./Schl.G. 2.
Basically no such unit existed at the time and I wonder if you don't mean
8./SG 2? The code prefix T6 also seems to indicate the former StG 2.

B Rgds
Stig

[Matti Salonen]

I don't know, what was the official designation, but when St.G was changed on 1943-10-17 loss reports (GQM) started to use Schl.G. Only after 1944-02-15 Schl.G was changed to SG.
Hopefully somebody could teach me the correct way to write that.
I have similar problems with military grades. For example Obergefreiter was at the beginning of the war Ogefr but later Ogfr. Similarly Oberleutnant was first Oblt and later Olt. Is there any official Luftwaffe (or Wehrmacht) document to clarify this.

Matti

[Frans A]

Matti,
According to "Geheime Kommandosache Nr.11125/43 von Ob.Kdo.Lfw. 2 Abteilung" dated 43-10-18, the St.G. 1 was changed to SG 1, the same for St. 2, 3 and 77
Frans.A

[Stig Jarlevik]

Since you have taken things from official sources Matti it also shows how difficult research is, when not everyone in an organization is on par with the situation (and on top not very interested as such).

Nobody at that time thought there would sit guys like us and sift every word which was written at the time.... We are probably worse than those intelligence sections....

Cheers
Stig

[Jim P.]

I have two other losses for Fritzsche. Matti, can you or anyone else add any information to these?

Ju 87D-, , FRITZSCHE, Oblt. Immo, , III., 7., St.G. 2, , , , , 16-Mar-43, Stkp. Crew WIA due to Flak., F RK., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.16, , Striguny, b, F, Bf Fw. Kurt Siegler, ,
Ju 87D-5, 140266, FRITZSCHE, Oblt. Immo, , III., 8., St.G. 2, , , , , 01-Oct-43, Stkp. WIA due to enemy fire. Bf MIA., F RK., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.22, , PlQu. 58 73, 100%, F, Bf Ofw. Hans Kern, ,

[Matti Salonen]

The first one is same, but for the last one I have:
1943-10-01, 8./St.G 2, Ju 87D-5, 140266, T6+GS, 2 km südöstlich Hochschtet (Pl.Qu. 5859), Absturz jenseits infolge Bordwaffenbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer (Staffelkapitän) Olt Fritzsche, Immo, verletzt
Bordfunker Ofw Kern, Hans, vermißt
Oblt Fritsche mit Fallschirm abgesprungen. Oblt Fritsche von Ofw Joswig von 9./St.G 2 aufgenommen und gerettet. Ofw Kern mit Fallschirm abgesprungen, aber blieb mit dem Fallschirm am Leitwerk hängen.

Matti

[Jim P.]

Thank you Matti!!