Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Obituaries

Obituaries Please use this forum to post obituary listings and death notices.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 25th May 2014, 13:30
Håkan Håkan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 361
Håkan is on a distinguished road
José Falcó Sanmartín

Hello,

Spanish newspapers reports the death of José Falcó Sanmartín (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/spain_falco.htm).

His passing seems to have happened during May but I can't find any exact date. Is there anyone with better knowledge in Spanish than me that have an exact date?

He seems to have been the last living ace from this conflict.

RIP!

//Håkan
__________________
WWII Biplane Fighter Aces
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/

WWII Biplane Fighter Aces Blog
http://ww2biplanefighteraces.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25th May 2014, 19:30
Leo Etgen Leo Etgen is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,183
Leo Etgen is on a distinguished road
José Falcó Sanmartín

Hello Håkan

According to this http://www.elmundo.es/cultura/2014/0...7668b4571.html article he died on 10 May 2014 at Toulouse in France at age 97. May he rest in peace as well.

Horrido!

Leo
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 25th May 2014, 19:32
Håkan Håkan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 361
Håkan is on a distinguished road
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Hello Leo!

Thanks for the Quick reply!

Best wishes/Håkan
__________________
WWII Biplane Fighter Aces
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/

WWII Biplane Fighter Aces Blog
http://ww2biplanefighteraces.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 25th May 2014, 21:51
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,798
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Wikipedia has it now as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Falcó_Sanmart%C3%ADn
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26th May 2014, 20:44
Håkan Håkan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 361
Håkan is on a distinguished road
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Hello Nick and thanks for the input.

However, I think the wikipedia article is "wrong". He indeed shot down Nirminger but he survived and was later killed in an air accident on 11 May 1939. On 6 February, Falcó also shot down Unteroffizier Windemuth, who was KIA.

//Håkan
__________________
WWII Biplane Fighter Aces
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/

WWII Biplane Fighter Aces Blog
http://ww2biplanefighteraces.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 27th May 2014, 20:37
fran's Avatar
fran fran is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 307
fran
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

The whole matter is very confusing but I am almost sure he did not shot down neither Nirminger nor Windemuth. Going farther, I'd say rather Falcó was himself shot down by Nirminger.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 1st June 2014, 18:43
newcomer newcomer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 164
newcomer is on a distinguished road
Question Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Hi to all,

AFAIK, in one of the past 'Avions' magazine appeared the article about Hose Falco. In that article published the photo of gravestone of two german pilots from Condor Legion identify by the author as the victims in air battle by Hose Falco. Author also wrote that those two fallen aviator didn't noticed in diary of Condor Legion.

What is the truth?

kind regards

Newcomer
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 13th June 2014, 10:00
fran's Avatar
fran fran is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 307
fran
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Windemuth crashed while strafing when did not pull up in time.
Nirminger gravestone was located in León, the Legion Condor repair depot, were he died in a postwar flying accident.
The two Falcó victories are a myth.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19th December 2014, 12:18
Arsenal VG-33 Arsenal VG-33 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 53
Arsenal VG-33 is on a distinguished road
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Quote:
Originally Posted by fran View Post
The whole matter is very confusing but I am almost sure he did not shot down neither Nirminger nor Windemuth. Going farther, I'd say rather Falcó was himself shot down by Nirminger.
Hello,

Why are you so sure, and why didn't you ask to Falco himself, in time when it was possible?
http://www.aerobuzz.fr/spip.php?article3351

His variant of the story is fully credible, at least in the confusion of the day: first he went to the Villajuiega airfield and saw grouded 6-96 plane. Inside he founded papers on Nimringer name, that he transmitted to remaining headquaters (others were already en route for France), for claim confirmation.

It was not Windemuth's plane the 6-98 that was later shown in newspapers, also in a place that looked like Villajuiega. The fact is that numerous participants and witnesses of the scene (Bravo, Arias, Jacob, Sanz...) never recognized the badly damaged 6-98 on photos, for the almost intact 6-96 they really saw that days, that collided the groud very tangentially and suffered little damage.
Then Falco himself never new or quoted Windemuth name before his hollidays in 1963, when he was directed to a stone monolyth with this name by local inhabitants, along the Figueras to Valencia road.
From Juan Arraez and others historians enquests.

BTW, the mystery remains, Sanz for instance did not saw Falco's I-15 that day firing over Nimringer's plane...And there is not a problem for me to imagine that germans could have slyly distort their own archives.

Regards

Last edited by Arsenal VG-33; 19th December 2014 at 17:13.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 14th June 2014, 11:26
Håkan Håkan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 361
Håkan is on a distinguished road
Re: José Falcó Sanmartín

Hello Fran,

According to the German sources I have, two Bf 109s were lost on 6 February - one (6-98) flown by Windemuth who was KIA and one flown by Nirminger who survived to be killed in an accident on 11 May 1939.
According to German whitnesses Windemuth's Bf 109 was on fire when it crashed into the airfield at a steep angel.

Best wishes/Håkan
__________________
WWII Biplane Fighter Aces
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/

WWII Biplane Fighter Aces Blog
http://ww2biplanefighteraces.blogspot.com/
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:45.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net