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Old 1st April 2013, 23:53
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old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
hi,
i´m searching info about some P-39 losses in this squadron
between 13-19/07/1943 and also in 24/07/43...
i see in Stalin Eagles:
between 13-19 july 1943: 7 P-39 lost (¿total losses?)
24/07/43: 3 P-39 lost (¿total losses?)

¿what German squad faced them?
¿someone have more info of the losses? some names?

many thanks,
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
Some pilots:

Бернигора Константин Устинович - KONSTANTIN USTINOVICH BERNIGORA (KIA)
Дата рождения/Возраст __.__.1922
Место рождения Киевская обл., ст. Буча
Последнее место службы 4 возд. Арм. 9 Гв. ИАД
Воинское звание гв. мл. лейтенант
Причина выбытия убит
Дата выбытия 19.07.1943
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Зюзин Николай Георгиевич - NIKOLAI GEORGIEVICH ZHYUZHIN (KIA)
Дата рождения/Возраст __.__.1922
Место рождения Восточно-Сибирская обл., Иркутский р-н, с. Хамутово
Последнее место службы 4 возд. Арм. 9 Гв. ИАД
Воинское звание гв. мл. лейтенант
Причина выбытия убит
Дата выбытия 28.07.1943
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Мальцев Юрий Борисович - YURI BORISOVICH MALTSEV (KIA)
Дата рождения/Возраст __.__.1922
Место рождения г. Омск
Последнее место службы 8 Возд. Арм. 9 Гв. ИАД
Воинское звание гв. лейтенант
Причина выбытия убит
Дата выбытия 07.09.1943
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Чикмарев Борис Александрович - BORIS ALEKSANDROVICH TSIKMAREV (KIA)
Дата рождения/Возраст __.__.1920
Место рождения Горьковская обл., Воскресенский р-н, с. Воскресенское
Последнее место службы 4 возд. Арм. 9 Гв. ИАД
Воинское звание мл. лейтенант
Причина выбытия убит
Дата выбытия 24.07.1943
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Old 2nd April 2013, 02:26
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
Gabor: it would be useful if this were posted in English, the language of the Board.
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
True, sorry...

Very simple:

-Full name
-Year of Birth
-Location of Birth
-Air Unit
-Rank
-Fate
-Date of loss
-Source
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
II/JG52 was the only unit to blame for 216 IAD's losses within this period.

6 Yak-1s were lost in 42 GIAP ( three on July 22, two on July 16 and one on July 19)

16 GIAP lost one Aircobra on July 24.
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
hi,
many thanks for your info,
you know a website with more information
about the Russian casualties?

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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
http://www.allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi...truct/main.dat
This site lists the Soviet air units of WWII, and has often a list of pilots/air crew attached to each unit. Except rare units, these lists are not complete at all (but are covering most losses in 1942).

http://www.obd-memorial.ru/html/advanced-search.htm
The above list is the Russian (or rather Soviet) equivalent of CWGC. You have to type in Russian but it will cover casualties (killed and missing) of the whole war. You can type an unit in the search box and it will provide you a list of casualties more complete than above, but units may be written in different forms. It is also useful to complete the name of a fallen Soviet soldiers.
I suspect that the first post by HGabor above is the result of a search on this website

http://formulyar-polka.narod.ru/t21/tom21-avia.htm
Loss list for the Baltic Sea Fleet Air Force (probably incomplete but still useful)

http://sk16.ru/forum/viewforum.php?f=17
Loss list of most air units in Murmansk area

http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Morozov/Losses.html
Loss list of 51 MTAP

http://militera.lib.ru/h/hazanov_gorbach/04.html
Loss lists of several units involved in Kursk battle (6 IAK 5-12 July, 221 BAD 5-10 July, 302 IAD whole month)
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
hi,
many thanks for all,
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Dietrich Hrabak

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Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,

"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first."
Adolf Galland
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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
Hi,

on 24.7.43 four P-39`s from 16 GIAP were scrambled to cover Slawinskaja airfield (18.55-19.37 hrs). The P-39 (L-1 no.24699) of Ml.Lt. Czikmariew was shot down by enemy fighter. The aircraft crashed 6 km NW of Marianskaja (?) hamlet. The pilot was killed.

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Re: old 216IAD - 9GIAD losses july 43
Hi Robert et al,

Is there a Luftwaffe claim that matches this loss? Tony Wood doesn't seem to have anything for this time of the day.

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