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Old 9th February 2011, 15:57
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Claims and losses JG51

Hello,


I am looking for the details of claims and looses Stab, I and IV Gruppe Jagdgeschwader 51
which fought in Pommern from january to april 1945. If anybody can provide this information I would be greatly appreciated.


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Old 9th February 2011, 16:43
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Re: Claims and losses JG51

Losses of Stab, I. and IV./JG 51 extracted from GQM loss listes (data is only available from 1 Jan to 22 Feb, and even between these dates is not certified to be complete):
Verband Datum Truppenteil Ort Ursache Flgzg. Muster Werknr. u. Kennzeichen Bruch in % Name Dstgrad
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.12 IV./J.G.51 Modlin Luftkampf Bf 109 G-14 512142 100 Bauer Lt.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.21 IV./J.G.51 unbekannt unbekannt Bf 109 G-6 19459 100 Bischoff Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 Pl.Qu.95595 nach Notlandung auf Eisfläche eingebrochen Bf 109 G-14 413847 100 Wagner Lt.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 unbekannt unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 510890 100 Schwarz Obgfr.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 unbekannt unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 413834 100 Reschke Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 unbekannt unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 785017 100 Eisenlohr Lt.
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 Fl.Pl. Danzig-Langfuhrt Bruchlandung infolge Motorstörung Bf 109 G-14 510949 70
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 Fl.Pl. Danzig-Langfuhrt Bruchlandung infolge Schlechtwetter Bf109 G14 510906 10
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.24 IV./J.G.51 Fl.Pl. Danzig-Langfuhrt Rollschaden Bf109 G14 511492 30
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.24 IV./J.G.51 Fl.Pl. Danzig-Langfuhrt Technische Mängel Bf109 G6 165572 10
Luftflotte 6 1945.01.25 I./J.G.51 von eigener Truppe gesprengt Bf 109 G-14 413884 100
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.03 I./J.G.51 westlich Danzig-Langfuhr Absturz infol e Bedienungsfehler Bf 109 G-14 46275 100 Piller Fw.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.03 I./J.G.51 Pl.Qu.84255 Flakbeschuß Bf 109 G-14 41384 100 Belz Flg.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.05 I./J.G.51 unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 464922 100 Sassenberg Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.05 IV./J.G.51 Bedienungsfehler bei Landung Bf 109 G-14 512638 85 Kramp Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.05 IV./J.G.51 unbekannt Bf 109 G-6 441138 100 Höng Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.10 Stab/J.G.51 Bruch beim Start Fw 190 A-8 739528 90 Schiller Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.13 IV./J.G.51 Pl.Qu.74418 Luftkampf Bf 109 G-6 440545 100 Steinhag Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.13 IV./J.G.51 Pl.Qu.74442 nach Notlandung infolge Flakbeschuß gesprengt Bf 109 G-6 167284 100
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 Stab/J.G.51 Bruchlandung Fw 190 A-8 732109 70 Busse Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 Stab/J.G.51 Überschlag bei Landung Fi156 5744 35
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 I./J.G.51 eigener Flakbeschuß Bf109 G14 512628 folgt Naumann Lt.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 IV./J.G.51 unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 511437 100 Naumann Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 IV./J.G.51 Notlandung, von eigener Truppe gesprengt Bf 109 G-14 167195 100 Blusko Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 IV./J.G.51 Absturz nach Luftkampf Bf 109 G-6 781118 100
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.16 I./J.G.51 unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 465303 100 Baumann Uffz.
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.16 IV./J.G.51 bei Landung ausgebrochen Bf109 G6 441465 30
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.17 I./J.G.51 Flakbeschuß Bf109 G14 785029 30
Luftflotte 6 1945.02.17 I./J.G.51 Absturz infolge Jägerbeschuß Bf 109 G-14 780922 100 Henrichsmeier Ofhr.
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Old 9th February 2011, 16:46
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Re: Claims and losses JG51

Claims of Stab, I. and IV./JG 51 extracted from a list by Jim Perry that was once available from Tony Wood website (again no claim to be complete, but at least covering the whole period)
Date Rank Fname Lname Unit JG Claimed Location Time ClaimNo Unit_Cl RLM Prim_Source
16/01/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Abschuß - - 140 - yes Obermaier
16/01/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Abschuß - - 141 - yes Obermaier
11/02/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-9 - - 4 - yes FB
16/02/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Il-2 - - 146 - yes Obermaier
16/02/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Il-2 - - 147 - yes Obermaier
16/02/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Il-2 - - 148 - yes Obermaier
16/02/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Il-2 - - 149 - yes Obermaier
16/02/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten 3. JG 51 Il-2 - - 150 - yes Obermaier
18/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
18/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
18/02/1945 Ofw. Josef Gabl III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
18/02/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-9 - - 5 - yes FB
20/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
20/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
20/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
23/02/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - 175 - yes Internet
28/02/1945 Ofw. Horst Petzschler Stab JG 51 La-5 * SE Graudenz - 19 - yes DW: Day Fighter
11/03/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 LaGG-5 - - 6 - yes FB
18/03/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
18/03/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
18/03/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - - - yes Internet
19/03/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-9 - - 7 - yes FB
22/03/1945 Oblt. Eberhard Burath 9. JG 51 Pe-2 95636 10.45-11.30 - - yes J/K: Bf 109K
25/03/1945 Oblt. Bernhard Vechtel 14. JG 51 Abschuß - - 100 - yes Obermaier
14/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 99 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
14/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 100 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
15/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 P-39 - - 101 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
15/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 P-39 - - 102 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
15/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 103 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
16/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 104 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
16/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 105 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
16/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Pe-2 - - 8 - yes FB
16/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 9 - yes FB
17/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 LaGG-5 - - 10 - yes FB
18/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Il-2 - - 106 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
18/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 107 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
18/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 108 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
18/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Il-2 - - 109 - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.220
18/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 11 - yes FB
18/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 12 - yes FB
19/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - 13 - yes FB
20/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Il-2 - - 14 - yes FB
24/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
24/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
24/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
24/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
25/04/1945 Hptm. Joachim Brendel Stab III. JG 51 Abschuß - - 189 - yes Internet
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 172 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 173 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 174 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 175 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 176 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 177 - yes Obermaier
25/04/1945 Oblt. Günther Josten Stab IV. JG 51 Abschuß - - 178 - yes Obermaier
27/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Jak-3 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
29/04/1945 FhjOfw. Heinz Marquardt 13. JG 51 Il-2 - - - - yes DW: Day Fighters; p.221
29/04/1945 Ltn. Alfred Rauch StSt. JG 51 Abschuß - - 60 - yes Obermaier
30/04/1945 Uffz. Heinz Radlauer 13. JG 51 Il-2 - - 15 - yes FB
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Old 10th February 2011, 11:37
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Re: Claims and losses JG51

Hi,
Thanks for your replies.Very nice datas.
We know more about claims Ofw. Horst Petzschler from Stab JG 51?
Her reported shot down seven soviet planes in Westpreussen area:
one in February 1945:
1 La-5 28 February 1945 SE Graudenz
and six in March 1945 (but witchout daily datas):
1 IL-2m3 March 1945 SW-Zinlen(Zinten?)
1 Yak-9 March 1945 NW Danzig
1 IL-2m3 March 1945 SO-Preuss Stargard
1 LaGG-7 March 1945 SO-Gotenhaven
1 Yak-3 March 1945 S-Danzig
1 Yak-3 March 1945 NW-Gotenhaven
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Old 11th February 2011, 11:01
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Re: Claims and losses JG51

Hi Laurent

I compared the W.Nr. and I see that many G-14 has G-6 W.Nr.

one example.
"Luftflotte 6 1945.01.23 I./J.G.51 unbekannt unbekannt Bf 109 G-14 413834 100 Reschke Uffz."


and one example is in a G-14 block
"Luftflotte 6 1945.02.15 IV./J.G.51 Absturz nach Luftkampf Bf 109 G-6 781118 100"

strange

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Re: Claims and losses JG51

Hi

I have some Brendel/Josten claims:-

Brendel=

4th March 1945 Il-2 his 174th
4th March 1945 Il-2 his 175th
8th March 1945 Pe-2 at 1432 hrs his 176th
9th March 1945 unknown type at 12?? hrs his 177th
9th March 1945 unknown type at 12?? hrs his 178th

Josten=

10th March 1945 Boston at 1212 hrs his 154th
10th March 1945 Boston at 1215 hrs his 155th
10th March 1945 LaGG-3 at 1243 hrs his 156th

As Horst Petzschler's memory of claims have proved to be unreliable during the period covered by the Micro Films, I guess we should believe that they are unreliable for the period not covered by the Micro Films i.e 1945, guess only the discovery of his log-book will answer his 1945 claims!

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P.S Seems that Brendel just has the edge over Kittel with regards as to who is the top Il-2 ace!
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