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Old 20th August 2015, 18:52
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LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

I have such LW's total losses (>60% damege) over Warsaw done only by A/A fire.

I do not count total losses done by Brygada Pościgowa (1-6.09.39, next 15 or 16 planes total destoryed by PZL P.11 & P.7)


09.09.39 - 1 Me 109E + 1 Arado Ar 66 of I./JG 76,

10.09.39 - 1 He 111 of 9.(K)/LG 1

11.09.39 - 1 He 111J of Westa 1

21.09.39 - 1 Do 17Z of Stabst./KG 2

25.09.39 - 2 Ju 52 of IV./KGzbV 2 + 1 Ju 87 of IV(St)/LG 1

Total - 8 planes

I wonder if there were any total losses among reccon units/aircrafts?

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

Hi Mirek,

i have two Bf 109 E form I./ JG76 for the 09.09.39, no Arado 66.
For the 21.09. no Information for the loss of a Do 17 from KG 2 in the publicatiom about KG 2.

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

The JU52, are given , as throwing "Brandbomben " at low altitude 300 m over airport, really ??

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Old 17th January 2016, 23:12
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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

Hello.

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Originally Posted by Mirek Wawrzynski View Post

09.09.39 - 1 Me 109E + 1 Arado Ar 66 of I./JG 76
Fw. Leopold Wyhlidal (with Bf 109) + Fw. Josef Pöhs (attempt to rescue Fw. Wyhlidal with Ar 66)

10.09.39 - 1 He 111 of 9.(K)/LG 1 -> I have this as 11.09.39

11.09.39 - 1 He 111J of Westa 1

21.09.39 - 1 Do 17Z of Stabst./KG 2 -> I have this as 12.09.39

25.09.39 - 2 Ju 52 of IV./KGzbV 2 + 1 Ju 87 of IV(St)/LG 1

Total - 8 planes

I wonder if there were any total losses among reccon units/aircrafts?
Sorry I've got nothing about reccon a/c.
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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

The JU52, are given , as throwing "Brandbomben " at low altitude 300 m over airport, really ??

Okęcie airport was already captured (around 8.09.39), lotnisko Mokotowskie the old airport still not, but to attack with smal fire bomb Lotnisko Mokotowskie, very strange? If it was on 25.09.1939 (and only this day Ju 52 had attacked Warsaw), it is possible but stupid, it was easy target for fire from the ground. Too low hight for such attack of slow plane, ant maybe it was the reason of loosing 2 Ju 52s?

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

Or the Ju52, were not attacking but trying to land... or the "Brandbomben" were to be thrown over non-defended target..

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

BTW in the last year in October 2015 was edited my big material in: Historia Wojsko i Technika, wrzesień-październik, nr 1/2015, "Obrona przeciwlotnicza czynna Warszawy w 1939 r./The active defense antiaircraft of Warsaw in 1939", p. 32-47, 30 b&w photos, 3 maps, 1 colour drawing, 1 big table.

It is the first complete synthesis of the air defense of Warsaw in September 1939 (all the Polish claims ad real LW's losses 1.09-27.09.39)

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

This is from the book Wekusa Luftwaffe Meteorological reconassance Units and operations 1939-1945.
2 Sept 1939 Wekusa 1 Luftflotte 1 He 111J-1 B7+BA shot down near Posen it did fly over Warsaw, 2 KIA and 2 POW later liberated by either ppr Wlodzmierz Gedymin 131 Eskadra or kpt Franciszek Jastrzebski 132 Eskadra. It has a picture of the plane burning on the ground and a color profile. It was still painted 61/62/63 and 65. This was the first Wekusa loss of WW II
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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

Hello.

Do you have the full names of the crew?

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Re: LW's Total Losses over Warsaw in IX 1939?

Here are the names in the book and their fates:
Obltn Woyna (F) Saffelkapitan Wekusa 1 KIA
Wd Ass Dr Heinrich Prugel senior weather observer WIA+POW
Uffz Lotsch (Bf) KIA
Uffz Hackle (Bm) POW

Prugel and Hackl managed to bail out after the plane was hit and set on fire. They were liberated by advancing German troops on 17 September.

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