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Old 31st July 2017, 03:40
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General Ju 88 thread

Hello,

I'm hoping I'm able to make a general Junkers Ju 88 thread primarily for topics that I can't seem to find information on for myself through my research. I'd like to start off with this photo.



It is found in the book, "German Aircraft in the Soviet Union and Russia" by Yefim Gordon, Sergey Kommisarov and Dmitry Kommisarov, page 145.

It is captioned "Junkers Ju88A-15 with a ventral weapons pannier." I'm looking for information on the "ventral weapons pannier." It looks to me like a DuKa 88 gun pod but not as big. I did post on another forum and got a couple replies. Clint Mitchell pointed out that it appeared to "looks like a Peil-Gerate IV mounted on top of the fuselage." Simon Schatz said it was the Duka 88 but there isn't a barrel out the front for the cannon, a vent(??) tube protruding through the bottom of the pod or a (vent??) tube through the top of the fuselage as depicted in drawings and schematics.

This inquiry and future inquiries are for my research into making conversion parts in 1/32 for scale models 'n stuff.

Thanks for any help.

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Old 31st July 2017, 19:51
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

Surprise, surprise! Just search I think. Not re-search.

Well, that caption is incorrect. The Ju 88 V60 (A-15) details were different and it was not produced, just prototype SL+PC - but pannier design was used on Ju 388 L-1, and scale drawings are in "Ju 388" book (Vernaleken/Handig).

Here is Ju 88 A-4 (which I believe was Siebel or ATG assembled), with "the" Duka 88 pannier (so far just one is mentioned on the internet by "an mysterious German author") the barrel likely is there close to the fuselage - and bump on top be "exhaust", another (balancing) "exhaust" was down, reducing recoil - so airframe could withstand it. However I have so far just the "Duka 88" descipition report from the internet (not flight test reports, so not expert on that part). -ed
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Old 1st August 2017, 04:12
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

Thank you Ed. Would you happen to know of any scale drawings of said Duka 88 pannier? I haven't found anything in my searches.

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Old 1st August 2017, 21:10
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

No, sorry. These are not good, but several photos give away size and shape. There are Original German docs on DuKa 88, on internet (weapons site I saw some time ago), search the net please. Today is not my best of days it seems, as my reference material and books, are headed for storage UFN.

http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/guns/duka88.html
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Old 3rd August 2017, 04:40
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

Thanks again Ed.

I've been searching the net. Usually posting on a forum is my last option.

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Old 6th August 2017, 16:17
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

Thank you Ed. I'll have more inquiries on Ju 88's so I'll just keep them in this thread instead of starting new ones for each case.

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Old 26th November 2017, 04:13
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

So how about the outer wing racks to this KG 66 Ju 88? Any ideas on what kind of rack that would be?

Sorry, I know the picture is huge but needed to be able to see the aircraft clearly and completely.



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Old 26th November 2017, 13:45
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

Ju-88A-15 info from Squadron-Signal Aircraft in Action no85 Ju-88 Part 1 in attached jpg
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Old 26th November 2017, 14:52
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

I think the racks used were possibly same as Fw 190 A-8 had, the attachment points (hardpoints) were already built in all Ju 88 A´s since the A-1 but seldom used.
Five + three holes can be found (on inner part) of outer wing panel of Dayton OH Ju 88 D-1/trop (but beware Romanian marking appears 10 cm more to one side than the other).
Designed for about 250 kg each, sufficent for 300 Liter tanks (altho the T-3 tanks maybe were larger).



Rack
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...A8_3Seiten.JPG

UK readers can see the "screw points" on their Ju 88 R-1 wings as well.
Few realise that that one started life as an Ju 88 C-6, but re-delivered half a year later.
IWM Hendon description of its life are (were) quite wrong regarding many details.



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Old 26th November 2017, 19:32
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Re: General Ju 88 thread

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Ju-88A-15 info from Squadron-Signal Aircraft in Action no85 Ju-88 Part 1 in attached jpg
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Thank you Peter. I don't think I've ever seen that aircraft from that point of view before. That photo definitely will help out when I get around to doing the A-15 variant I have planned for. Thanks.

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