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Old 24th May 2018, 14:35
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

Hello Edward,

Jim is right. The theaerodrome forum is marvellous.

Good luck with your inquiry,

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Old 14th April 2022, 13:26
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

...to answer your initial question:
only seven of Rudolf Windisch's 22 kills correspond to known Allied losses
#6 19Nov
#12 24Mar
#16 21Apr
#17 21Apr
#18 3May
#19 4May
#20 15May
This quota is below the average of the German WW1 top fighter aces.

Dear GMichalski,

why do you think that the 72 Cie balloon was Windisch's victim on 3Jan ?

Have a nice Easter, sincerely,

Michael

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Old 16th May 2022, 13:03
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

hello,

sorry for the late response...

i sometimes check the source:
http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.n...14c47018b76215

Info here:
http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.n...ic.php?t=19052

3Jan18 Ltn.d.R. Windisch 7 Balloon Villers 22
72 Cie. Aerostieres, S/Lt. M. Desache, OK

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Old 16th May 2022, 13:22
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

here is what i have, we can comment the claims-losses:

4 01-nov-17 Jasta 32 SPAD W of Bray ¿Probably French Spad of Esc N.112, MdL Vernaudon, MIA.?

6 19-nov-17 Jasta 32 SPAD Laval #4268, Esc. Spa 65, Portuguese pilot Capt O de Monteiro-Torres, MIA* (with red spad) http://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/...ed-spad-2-fer/

7 03 Jan 1918 Jasta 32 Balloon Villers 72 Cie. Aerostieres, S/Lt. M. Desache, OK

8 04 Jan 1918 Jasta 32 SPAD S of Staubecken S/Lt Francois Kermina Sop 131 P MIA GB 4

9 15-mar-18 Jasta 66 SPAD Vitry-Reims Sal 61 Sgt Martin (G) and S/Lt Jean Mace (O) both WIA possibly J 66 Windisch claim

10 17-mar-18 Jasta 66 SPAD Vitry-Reims 7 Armee could be Spa 75 Mdl Joseph Rechede POW French 10 Armee

12 24-mar-18 Jasta 66 SPAD 2 Bretigny
13 24-mar-18 Jasta 66 SPAD Tergnier
14 24-mar-18 Jasta 66 SPAD Tergnier
One of these: Sop 234 Cpl Jouy & S/Lt Francois Touchfeu MIA III Armee possibly Ltn R*Windisch*J 66 one of his claims

15 11 Apr 1918 Jasta 66 Bréguet 14 S of Noyon Esc. Br.129, Cpl. Grebil, MIA & Asp. E. Carron, MIA*

18 03-may-18 Jasta 66 Balloon Juvigny 88e Cie. Aerostieres, S/Lt. R. Lériche, OK

19 04-may-18 Jasta 66 SPAD Carlepont S/Lt Lucien Gauthier Spa 62 (P) POW Spad VII (Chemin Des Dames area could be Windisch J 66 or Cpl Marcel Dupont Spa 26 (P) WIA Montdider area possibly wither odebrett j 42 or Windisch J 66 OTF 17-1

20 15-may-18 Jasta 66 SPAD 2 Trosly-Loire Esc. Spa.265, Lt. J. Chotard,KIA & Asp. J. Fropo,KIA

22 27-may-18 Jasta 66 SPAD 2 Couvrelles-Lesges (Immediately after he shot down this last Spad, he was jumped by several other enemy scouts. A bullet through the gas tank forced him to land behind French lines, about 50 meters from his final victim)

clearly is not one of the top on accuracy,

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Old 16th May 2022, 17:13
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

There seems to be a bit of controversy regarding Windisch claim No 6

It has variously been reported both on the 18th and 19th Nov 1917

The JASTA war chronology very conveniently lists him with claim No 6 on both days....

I notice everyone here is certain it was on the 19th. May I ask why?

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PS: I still maintain that until further and much better aircraft losses are published by the French, the German claims against them should be treated with caution.
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Old 17th May 2022, 19:01
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

Good evening Gentlemen,


Stig: Lance Bronnenkant clearly says 19 Nov on two different pages of his book. Furthermore, http://albindenis.free.fr/ and http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/ agree on that.

I added the claim-loss-correlations of the verified claims that are not indicated in BLUE MAX AIRMEN Vol18 in bold:
4 01-nov-17 SPAD W of Bray Probably French SPAD of N.112, MdL Vernaudon, MIA
6 19-nov-17
7 03 Jan 1918 Balloon Villers 72 Cie. Aerostieres, S/Lt. M. Desache, OK
8 04 Jan 1918 SPAD S of Staubecken S/Lt Francois Kermina Sop.131 MIA
10 17-mar-18 SPAD Vitry-Reims could be Spa.75 Mdl Joseph Rechede POW
12 24-mar-18
15 11-apr-18 Bréguet 14 S of Noyon Br.129, Cpl. Grebil, MIA & Asp. E. Carron, MIA
16 21-apr-18
17 21-apr-18
18 03-may-18
19 04-may-18
20 15-may-18
Therefore, 12 out of 22 (55%) can be verified. Still below average.

By the way, I believe that Windisch claimed one kill in the Roland D.II, 20 in the Albatros D.V, none in the Albatros D.Va and one in the Fokker D.VII. Could you agree ?

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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

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Good evening Gentlemen,

Stig: Lance Bronnenkant clearly says 19 Nov on two different pages of his book. Furthermore, http://albindenis.free.fr/ and http://www.forumeerstewereldoorlog.nl/ agree on that.

Michael
Yes Michael
There are many secondhand sources around.
With a conflict I would rather like to know what they are based upon.....
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Re: Rudolf Windisch Air to Air Victories

Good morning Stig,

I like the books of Norman Franks very much but they contain many typos. Some of them are copied by other authors.

Best greetings from sunny Switzerland,

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