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Old 25th May 2022, 18:11
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Re: Death of Hitler - 1945 or 1962?

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Franek,

I appreciate your comments. Regarding the 'special flight,' there is a facsimile reproduction of the relevant document in the book, KG 200 - The Luftwaffe's Most Secret Unit by Geoffrey J. Thomas and Barry Ketley, on page 166.

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That document, dated 20 April, talks of him leaving Hörsching on the 26th, so it's referring to something that hasn't happened at the time of writing. Does anyone seriously dispute that Hitler was still in Berlin after 26 April? Endless witnesses have descirbed seeing him in the bunker after that date.
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Old 25th May 2022, 20:37
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Re: Death of Hitler - 1945 or 1962?

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Such a document could have been produced at any time by anyone, for unknown purposes. Forgeries of documents are not necessarily a new invention.
Could you perhaps post a scan of the document, so others could see it and discuss it?


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Not my point, really. I rather want to point out, how weak the evidence is, and how much effort was put to muddy the water for a reason not known to us.
Re the document, mind you, on 25 April there was a massive raid on Berchtesgaden, a coincidence? The document, if authentic, was possibly a sort of deception game. Mind you Mincemeat? That said, about witnesses, they had just enough time to prepare a uniform version on what had happened in the bunker. I recall a conspiracy theory, that Hitler was murdered, and Eva disappeared. Why not? If Hitler refused to escape, and said that all occupants of the bunker will die, I can imagine some solution was to be worked out. Just as a sample.

Another conspiracy theory? How about that. Hitler died on 20 July, but Himmler immediately produced a double. Remains were cremated except some key identification body parts like jaw for possible future use. Nobody realised it is not Hitler because changes of appearance were believed to be shock effect. Then body double was either murdered or disappeared, and jaw was planted with some charred remains to prove Hitler's death.


That said, on a serious note, I came across some evidence of cooperation between SD and NKVD (or other body) as early as late 1943. I am really not sure how to explain it, and how far to the top it went. The fact is, that several figures of Nazi Germany cooperated with the Soviets after 1945.
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Re: Death of Hitler - 1945 or 1962?

Franek,

I do not have the equipment to post a scan of the document in question. I believe it to be authentic. On another subject, the Germans were in unofficial contact with the Allies for various reasons. The British received threats, for example.

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Perhaps someone else can do that, nevermind.
The view of WWII and associated politics is oversimplified, and there is a lot to be uncovered. Sometimes a dilligent researcher can come across stories that cannot be explained in a simple way.
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Perhaps someone else can do that, nevermind.
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Old 3rd June 2022, 02:50
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Re: Death of Hitler - 1945 or 1962?

Hi
Many thanks. I have looked around the web for a similar document signed by Muller. Found this one. Of course, I cannot be sure of its authenticity, but the header is different, and especially the signatue looks different.
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