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Old 17th April 2019, 14:05
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

Matti, good afternoon.
amazing data!
As an addition to your database:
29.04.1943 - Bf-109G-2 14729 - DB-605A 36680 (digged up 2016)
trapetz 75232

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Old 17th April 2019, 15:13
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Thanks Kirche.

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Old 17th April 2019, 15:29
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Matti Salonen.
Fantastic lists. One question. Are the Bf109's of your list all a 100% loss?
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Old 17th April 2019, 16:08
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

No, they are not. Most of the dates are when the aircraft was received from Germany, some of repair or overhaul and some of the 100 % loss or minor crash.

If you are interested in operation of Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and G-8 aircraft in Finland, I recommend the following book:

"MERSU, Messerschmitt Bf 109 G Suomen ilmavoimissa" by Kari Stenman and published by Koala-kustannus. ISBN 978-952-229-188-2. 400 pages, 485 photos and 56 drawings.

See: http://www.koalakustannus.fi/kirjat/...php?id_prd=233

It contains full history of the Bf 109 operation in Finland from 1943 till 1954. There are details of every one of 162 aircraft flown by the FiAF, full list of claims etc. Engine numbers are however missing.

Unfortunately this book is in Finnish, but using Google translator it should be fairly easy to find the most important and interesting details.

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Old 17th April 2019, 16:24
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

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Most of the dates are when the aircraft was received from Germany, some of repair or overhaul and some of the 100 % loss or minor crash.

If you are interested in operation of Bf 109 G-2, G-6 and G-8 aircraft in Finland, I recommend the following book
Matti, thank you for your generosity in sharing engine information from your database, and for the book recommendation.

The recovery of the Bf 109 mentioned in Kirill's post above is described in an online article by Evgeny Porfir'ev (Евгений Порфирьев) published in November 2016. The author suggests that this Bf 109 was shot down by Guards Senior Lieutenant Rechkalov (гвардии старший лейтенант Речкалов), a P-39 Airacobra ace of 16 GIAP who would become the second-highest scoring Soviet pilot of the Second World War. He observes that this contradicts the information in German loss records, which list this aircraft as lost in a collision with another Bf 109, WNr. 13469. Both German pilots survived.

http://kubplazdarm.tuapse.ru/aviatsi...et-messer.html

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Old 17th April 2019, 16:36
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

Matti Salonen

Thank you Matti for your answer

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Old 17th April 2019, 21:36
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

in addition to the list of DB engines from #13 some DB 601 (repair list of I./ JG 53)
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Old 18th April 2019, 08:06
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

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Matti and Steve,

These can be added to the DB603 listing:

He219 A-2 WkNr 290202
DB603 A2 01602821 DB603 AA 01602842

Tony
Tony, are you certain about this?
I have the following listed (for WkNr 290202 @ NASM):
- left engine: DB603EM(?) , 01603067
- right engine: DB603AA , 01604893
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Old 18th April 2019, 22:11
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

I have some nice images of the engine Wrk Nr./dataplates to show, but now cannot figure out how to edit my old images to make room since I have no room to upload. Used to be easy but I have been all over this site and cannot locate where I manage my uploaded images.

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Old 19th April 2019, 15:22
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Re: List of DB 605A engine construction numbers?

I tried shrinking images so here are at least three. These DB603s are the ones that were preserved/restored for the He219. As I recall, three He219 were brought to the US as part of operation Lusty. There were additional engines of various types also shipped over.

These are the engines on the museum floor that will go on the He219 at Udvar-Hazy.

In the images you will see that one of the engines has the original dataplate while on the other engine it is missing. The 2842 dataplate shows the engine as an 'AA' model while the stamping shows 'A2'. You can also see a 2826 stamped in the block below to the right of the dataplate. Shows that possibly engine blocks were swapped.

Good news is that the He219 is getting closer to being put together. The radar dipole struts are now installed on the nose, and the dipoles are ready. The landing gear is is the shop being readied. I just saw one of the spinners on the floor uncrated and being readied. And there is work being done on the wing at the attachment points.

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