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Old 20th July 2019, 17:59
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Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

Hello,

I would like to find informations about the shot down of a Me-109 and few Fw-190 on 30 May 1944 over Brunswick.

Some pilots of the 355th Fighter Group were on an escort mission over Halberstadt between 8h54 and 13h35. In South West of Brunswick, Lt Santos shot down 2 Fw-190, Lt Donovan 1 Me-109 and 1 Fw-190 shared with a pilot from the 353rd Fighter Group and Lt Robinson an other Fw-190.

Is it possible to find the names and the units of these pilots (Fw-190 and Me-109) ?

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Old 22nd July 2019, 00:06
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

Hello,

Nobody for these planes shot down on 30 May 1944 ?
The most important for me could be to identify the Me-109

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Old 24th July 2019, 21:39
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

Hello,

I searched to many website to found something but I found nothing ...
Anyone to help me to identify this Me-109 ?

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Old 24th July 2019, 21:51
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

On that day the Luftwaffe lost 18 Fw 190 and 24 Bf 109 against US bomber and fighter units over Central Germany. How to decide who shot whom down?
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

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On that day the Luftwaffe lost 18 Fw 190 and 24 Bf 109 against US bomber and fighter units over Central Germany. How to decide who shot whom down?
Hello,
I know that will not easy to find but I’m pretty sure we can.
If we know which plane was shot down and the places where that happened.

I’m looking for planes shot down near Brunswick and more particularly 1 Me-109
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Old 24th July 2019, 23:03
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Post Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

hi,

found that in a german newspaper:

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For many of the then 9- to 16-year-olds, the crash was an event that has deeply engraved itself in their memories. It must have been a warm spring day in 1944. American bombers flew over Braunschweig in an easterly direction. A Messerschmitt fighter, Günter Zwingmann remembers, "was hit at a relatively low altitude". From Wedtlenstedt, Hermann Kirchner saw the plane disappear in the direction of Lamme. "Karl-Heinz Broistedt describes it as follows: "With a hideous howl the plane was shot further in the direction of the Raffturm.
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source: https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.d...n-Absturz.html

unfortunately not much more!?


for guidance:

"Lamme is a town in Lower Saxony that was incorporated into Braunschweig with the municipal reform in 1974."

"The Raffturm was one of seven defensive towers of the Braunschweig Landwehr, the medieval outer fortification of the city of Braunschweig."


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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

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hi,

found that in a german newspaper:

source: https://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.d...n-Absturz.html

unfortunately not much more!?

for guidance:

"Lamme is a town in Lower Saxony that was incorporated into Braunschweig with the municipal reform in 1974."

"The Raffturm was one of seven defensive towers of the Braunschweig Landwehr, the medieval outer fortification of the city of Braunschweig."

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Thanks a lot for your help,

The localisation could correspond to this crash but I don’t find the date of what this event had happened. Do you know if it was on 30 May 1944 ?

Thanks
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Old 26th July 2019, 10:42
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Post Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

no, I do not know ...
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

There is a loss of a Bf 109 G-6 of 7/JG 1 at Fallersieben N/E of Brunswick by Wolfsburg with Uffz Horst Steinburg wounded and another of 9/JG 1 at Salzwedel with Uffz Ferdinand Spychinger killed . JG 3 lost 2 Bf 109s by Belzig , 1 at Zerbst, 1 at Schafstadt , 1 at Zorbig and 1 at Stendal . JG 1 also lost Fw 190s at Dresden, Pretzier , Salzwedel and Magdeburg. I do not believe these locations are in the area S/W of Brunswick and I do not have loss lists for the other units involved . From the post by Merlin there are still another 30 losses to account for .

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Old 27th July 2019, 13:10
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Re: Research Me-109 and Fw-190 - 30 May 1944

Hello,

on 30 May 1944 24 Bf 109 were lost in aerial combats over Central Germany (post #4). According to JFV 13/IV and the chronicle of II./JG 27 (Merlin is co-author) as well as the chronicle of JG 1/JG 11 12 crashplaces are known and 12 are unknown.
In detail:
III./JG 1 three losses: 1 Fallersleben, 1 Salzwedel, 1 unknown
I./JG 3 five losses: 2 Belzig, 1 Nedlitz, 1 Genthin, 1 unknown
II./JG 3 one loss: unknown
III./JG 3 four losses: 1 Stendal, 1 Zörbig, 1 Schafstädt, 1 unknown
II./JG 11 nine losses: 1 Bernburg, 8 unknown
II./JG 27 two losses: 1 Dessau, 1 Köthen.
None of the known crashlocations is situated southwest of Brunswick.

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