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Old 21st July 2019, 19:49
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LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Can anyone identify a loss of an He111 at Kozinka (Козинка) on this date. I am looking for a claim by the 515 IAP.

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Old 21st July 2019, 20:15
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

I have only this loss in Ukraina on that day:

1943-10-15, 9./KG 27, He 111 H-16, 161610, 1G+AT, Westlich Fastow
Flugzeugführer Uffz Pfannenstiel, Hans, +
Beobachter Gefr Kohlbecker, Herbert, +
Bordfunker Ogfr Enthofer, Leonhard, +
Bordmechaniker Uffz Moser, Adolf, +
Bordschütze Ogfr Porwitzky, Hans, +
Absturz infolge Flakbeschuß und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.

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Old 21st July 2019, 20:28
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Yep, the following 515 IAP pilots got shared (1/4) credit for a He 111 at Kozinka on October 15, 1943:


ст.л-т Бахаев Степан Антонович (1Lt. Stephan Antonovich Bahaev, 1922) - 1/4 He 111 victory
ст.л-т Трясак Михаил Федорович (1Lt. Mikhail Fedorovich Tryasak, 1918) - 1/4 He 111 victory
м-р Тюлькин Михаил Николаевич (Maj. Mikhail Nikolaevich Tulkin, 1918) - 1/4 He 111 victory

Not sure about the 4th pilot. The plane could be the one in Matti's comment.
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Old 22nd July 2019, 09:15
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Superb, many thanks Friends. Bahaev is a pet project of mine but I woefully short of reference material.

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Old 22nd July 2019, 13:18
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Bahaev scored this He 111 still in his Yak-1B fighter. Very often he flew in a flight of 4 (6) Yak-1Bs. Later the 515 IAP got re-armed with newer Yak-9 and Yak-3 models. Some of their losses:

April 1, 1942:
Yak-1, S/N: 1535 (15-35, or 15-292-35)

January 28, 1945:
Yak-3, S/N: 2811 (28-292-11)
Yak-9, S/N: 1515399
Yak-9, S/N: 1415391 (MIA)

January 31, 1945:
Yak-9, S/N: 0915334 (MIA)

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Old 25th July 2019, 09:10
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Many thanks Gabor. I believe he flew the Yak-9U in the closing months of WW2.
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Old 25th July 2019, 14:23
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Re: LW loss of He 111, 15 October 1943 Kozinka

Well, if so, then Bahaev's plane number was most likely some: yy166xx from Omsk, Russia. Different aircraft factories made their AC serials in different ways:

Yak-1B: xxyyy (Factory 292, Saratov, Russia), eg: 33192, a 17 VA, 611 IAP Yak-1B, in which Capt. Mikhail Fedorovich Batarov belly landed near Székesfehérvár, Hungary on January 4, 1945. (See attached pic.)

Ya-9B,-9D,-9T,-9M: yy153xx (Factory 153, Novosibirsk, Russia), eg: 2315371, a Yak-9D, in which 5 VA, 150 GvIAP guards-1Lt. Grigorii Yakovlevich Bekkerman was downed at Kóka, Hungary on November 16, 1944.

Yak-9D,-9U: yy166xxx (Factory 166, Omsk, Russia), eg. a Yak-9U: 42166074 in which famous 5 VA, 151 GvIAP ace, Egor Vasilevich Vasilevskii guards-captain was downed on April 17, 1945 over Rapovice, Czech.

Yak-3: xxyy, or xx292yy (Factory 292, Saratov, Russia), eg: 17 VA, 866 IAP Yak-3, 1415, or 1429215 lost in January, 1945 in Hungary.

Yak-3: 31yyxx (Factory 31, Tbilisi, Georgia), eg: 310118, in which Lt. Alexandr Yosifovich Salnikov (17 VA, 611 IAP) was KIA near Wiener Neustadt, Austria on April 1, 1945.

Where:
y = digits of the batch no.
x = digits of the plane within that batch

(Some docs used only their "short version", ignoring their factory part.)

For Bahaev's combat career:

On August 31, 1943 with a flight of 4 Yak-1Bs he downed a (shared) Fw 189 recce. plane at Chuguev.

On September 10, 1943 while escorting IL-2s with his flight of 4 Yak-1Bs, he engaged a flight of 4 Me 109s, attacking the IL-2s and downed one of them at Trofimovka-S.

On January 30, 1945 in the vicinity of Swibus from 4 Fw 190 and 2 Me 109 he downed 2 Fw 190s while his wingman downed one.

On February 28, 1945 flying a Yak-9, he downed a Ju 87 at the airfield of Finofurt-SW.

On March 18, 1945 he doubled again at Szczecin (Stettin), Poland downing 2 Fw 190s.

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