Luftwaffe claims January 1945?

[thorthemighty]

Hello,


I am looking for the details of Luftwaffe claims (and losses in the west) on the 16th and 17th January 1945....

If anybody can provide this information I would be extremely grateful!!


Thank you in advance,


Thor

[Jan Gazda]

For the victories see this page

http://aces.safarikovi.org/luftwaffe...y.credits.html


Jan

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Luftwaffe losses in GenSt.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (East and West... almost all in East, in fact):
Format:
GenSt.Gen.Qu.6.Abt.Nr. g,Kdos. Verf.Dat. Verband Datum Truppenteil Ort Ursache Flgzg. Muster Werknr. u. Kennzeichen Bruch in % Name Dstgrad

16 January 1945
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik von eigener Truppe gesprengt Fw 190 F-8 932575 100
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik von eigener Truppe gesprengt Fw 190 F-8 582356 100
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik Bombenwurf Fw 190 F-8 586402 100
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik Bombenwurf Fw 190 F-8 932604 100
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik Bombenwurf Fw 190 F-8 584032 100
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.77 ostwärts Radom Jägerbeschuß Fw 190 F-8 586435 100 Bahlmann Fhr.
1410/45 1945.02.08 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.16 IV./T.G.4 Kisber Tiefangriff Emrich Obgfr.
1550/45 1945.02.13 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 II./S.G.2 Fl.Pl. Raab Motorstörung Fw190 F8 583904 40
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.16 III./Erg.J.G.1 Gäbersdorf Hindernisberührung Ar 96 B-1 425457 65 Hoffmann Uffz.
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.16 III./Erg.J.G.1 Ober-Mois/Schlesien Zusammenstoß in der Luft Fw 190 A-5 5951 100 Kowalski Uffz.
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.16 III./Erg.J.G.1 Ober-Mois/Schlesien Zusammenstoß in der Luft Fw 190 A-8 380404 100 Nolle Fw.
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 4 1945.01.16 III./T.G.4 südwestl. Schulweißenburg Bordwaffenbeschuß Ju 52 131068 60 Büsselmann Killing Hptm. Obgfr.
1680/45 1945.02.17 Lw.Kommando West 1945.01.16 I./J.G.4 Frankental/Worms Luftkampf Bf 109 G-10 491430 100 Grahl Uffz.
1680/45 1945.02.17 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.1 südwestlich Kroschin Flakbeschuß Fw 190 582243 100 Schubert Oblt.
1680/45 1945.02.17 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 III./S.G.1 Fl.Pl. Kornen Absturz, Aufschla brand Fw 190 932230 100 Dietz Uffz.
17 January 1945
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.17 III./S.G.77 Lask Bauchlandung infolge Motorstörung Fw 190 F-8 583072 75
1370/45 1945.02.07 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.17 III./S.G.77 Fl.Pl. Glinik von eigener Truppe gesprengt Fw 190 F-8 583068 100
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.17 III./Erg.J.G.1 Trostdorf/Breslau Absturz Bf 109 G-6 165108 100 Lieberwirt Ofw.
1640/45 1945.02.16 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.17 III./Erg.J.G.1 Damsdorf/Breslau Höhenkrankheit Bf 109 G-6 411369 100 Richter Ofw.
1680/45 1945.02.17 Luftflotte 10 1945.01.17 I./Erg.J.G.1 Fl.Pl. Liegnitz Motorstörung Fw 190 A-8 380398 70 Quarda Fhr.

Luftwaffe claims (from the loss made by Jim Perry)
16/01/45 Oblt. Wilhelm Hartmann 4. JG 4 P-47 - - - - yes EM: JG 4 List
16/01/45 Fhr. Günther Wittbold 1. JG 4 P-47 - - - - yes EM: JG 4 List
16/01/45 Oblt. Kurt Welter 10. NJG 11 Lancaster - - 35 - yes LW NF Claims 39-45 f. 231
16/01/45 Oblt. Kurt Welter 10. NJG 11 Lancaster - - 36 - yes LW NF Claims 39-45 f. 231
17/01/45 Hptm. Georg-Peter Eder 9. JG 7 B-17 - - - - unk MB: JG 7

[thorthemighty]

Hi everyone,

thanks Laurent and Jan for the information...

I am wondering if anyone can provide any more details about the claims by Kurt Welter on the 16th...there are no locations cited for the lancasters...I have read elsewhere on the net that is was known for making false claims but I am aware that the raf lost more than two lancasters on the night of the 16/17 Jan. '45. (it is possible that 7/9 lancasters and 8+ halifaxs were shot down by luftwaffe aircraft/fighters, based on available info)

Jan...could you tell me if the losses you list include nightfighters (nachtjager)?...some information I have says that the raf claimed (I know there can by false claims etc.) to have shot down 8/9 luftwaffe aircraft and damaged two more on the night in question...but the information I have is partial however.

My german is not great and even with the help of a translation site I am not entirely clear about the reasons for the loss of all of the aircraft you have listed...but it would appear to me that two/four of the losses are specifically attributed to fire from aircraft...I think (if the translation is correct) that the one at weißenburg says "guns firing/gunfire" (Bordwaffenbeschuß) and Frankental/Worms "dogfight" (Luftkampf) and the loss at Radom was due to "fire fighters"? (Jägerbeschuß) and at Kisber due to "low attack"? (Tief angriff)

...the first two are in broadly the same areas as raf activity on the 16/17...but, I am pretty sure the latter two (along with the 3 bombed "Bombenwurf" at Glinik) are too far east to have been casualties of the raf based on their targets on that particular night (Zeitz, Magdeburg, Brux and Wanna Eickel) and that a number of the lancasters (at least) were lost in areas not too far from Leipzig (e.g. Gielsdorf, Questenberg and Kleinfurra) and crash sites for some of the Halifaxs lost are generally close to, around/between Hannover and Magdeburg (including Bokensdorf, Borne, Hordorf, Harsum and Börry)...whilst other Lancaster crash sites include Budlingen/Dudenrod and Pfaffenhausen...the latter being the most southerly identified crash site I think...

...I see that another two? luftwaffe losses, at Trostdorf/Breslau (which is ssw of Magdeburg) and Kornen??? state "crash" (Absturz) as the reason for the losses...would this usually indicate a crash due to fire from another aircraft??


any additional information or clarification greatly appreciated,


cheers,

Thor

[GaraiB]

Hello all,

Can I get more details of one losses:

1550/45 1945.02.13 Luftflotte 6 1945.01.16 II./S.G.2 Fl.Pl. Raab Motorstörung Fw190 F8 583904 40

Flugpaltz is Raab? - Győr? - Hungary

What did S.G.2 in west-Hungary in this time? Did they have mission?

Thanks Kind regards,

GaraiB