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loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Dear all,
I have read several mentions that 61 Squadron Lancaster W5000 crashed in wet meadows at Daensen near Buxtehude on 2-3 August 1943. Is this crash location officially accepted by the British and German authorities, and is there any German (local) wartime record that confirm the crash location, a time of the crash and possibly also a cause of loss? I must say that I have no Flak or NJ claim for a bomber shot down at this location on 2/3.8.1943. Cheers, Theo |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello Theo
Perhaps this leads to someone who has that answer: http://www.tageblatt.de/lokales/aktu...d,1254052.html Greetz, Marcel
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hi Marcel,
Thanks for the link -this is one of the sources that I found last week during my search for info on W5000, it did provide me with quite some information but this also led to the questions that I raised in my posting. Cheers, Theo |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello Theo,
here some reports from Luftgaukommando XI: 1. "Abschüsse in der Nacht vom 2./3.8.1943 (Stand 3.8.43, 16.45 Uhr" ...... e) 2km westlich Daensen, nördlich Moisburg 2. "Meldung der gesamten Abschüsse für den Monat August 1943. 1. 3.8.43 02.02 Uhr 1 Feindflugzeug Flak 2km östlich Nindorf 3. "3. August 1943, 2km ostwärts Nindorf 1.u.3./schw. Flak-Abt. 603 (v) (Großb. Neuland) 4./schw. Flak-Abt. 603 (v) 4./schw. Flak-Abt. 306 (Großb. Eißendorf) 4./schw. Flak-Abt. 185 ( - " _ - " - ) 4./schw. Flak-Abt. 227 (Eisb.) 3. Flakdivision" The crash site is located between the villages of Daensen and Nindorf at the river Este. There is no doubt. It is Lancaster W5000. We found a part of the MG Browning 303. It was painted with "Out 5000 W". Parts with R3, and parts from a merlin engine Lancaster III. All other crashed Lancaster III have confirmed crash sites and crews are buried on different cemeteries. A more detailed investigation report are available. GKPadu |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello and good evening GKPadu,
Many thanks for posting this convincing evidence re. the loss of W5000, I will send you a PM! Beste Grüsse, Theo |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello,
in the German loss report is noticed: 3 Aug 43 0205 Lancaster Nindorf bei Apensen, Abschuß-Nr. KE 6268. This is documented in the MACR list for August 1943. Regards Leo Rottler |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello Theo,
apart from the precisely informations in the reports from Luftgaukommando XI in the MACR list for August 1943 is a reference to a German loss report and the Abschussnummer: "3 Aug 1943 Lancaster 0205 nahe Nindorf bei Apensen KE 6268". Regards Leo |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello together,
I have dealt with the losses of 03.08.1943 without any other opinions. In an process of elemination three crashsites were left. Hatzte - County Rotenburg / Wuemme - Halifax 2 km east Niendorf - County Stade - unknown aircraft 3 km west Apensen - County Stade - Halifax I can´t find any aircraft wich match Hatzte and Apensen. And I´m not sure that W5000 crashed between Niendorf and Deansen. There is a handwritten note on one Luftgau-paper which states that 2 km west of Deansen a Halifax crashed with five "Engländer" (english People) killed, two badly wounded, one slightly wounded. So probably a eight men crew. The crassite which Tony discriped is approx. 2 km west of Deansen. Kind Regards Jens-Michael |
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Re: loss 61 Sqn Lancaster W5000 2-3 August 1943
Hello Jens-Michael,
I know this paper from Luftgaukommando XI, but the investigation at the crashsite result in a different picture. We found parts with R3, that means Avro Lancaster and we found a part of a machine gun which was painted with W5000 . The official message only reports: 3.8. 02.02 Uhr 1. Feindflugzeug Flak 2 km ostw. Nindorf (not Niendorf). Best wishes Padu |
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