"Keulen" ailerons

[CJE]

Hello there!

What is a "Keulen" aileron such as found in the He 162?

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Chris

[Revi16]

I've never heard the term "Keulen" before, but one google search shows it can mean "to slave away". Is it possible that they meant "slave labor" built the ailerons?

[jschreiber]

Hi CJ

Outside beeng made with the same kind of wood (beechwood), I see no relation between the He 162 ailerons and the truncheons (Keulen in German). A part qu'ils étaient faits du même bois (hêtre) que les matraques (Keulen en Allemand), je ne vois vraiment pas de relaton.

Where have you found this word in relation with the He 162 ?

Kind regards Bien amicalement

[CJE]

Hello,

He 162 Spatz by Forsyth/Creek (Classic), p. 83.

Baubeschreibung des einmotorigen Jagdeinsitzers Baumuster 162 - Stand vom 15.10.44 - EHAG - p. 5.

[Snautzer]

Found this: Querruder, kleine Keulen an den Außenflächen - sogenannte Torpedozapfen

To be sure it is not a translation typo:

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[ChrisMAg2]

Originally Posted by Snautzer

Found this: ...

To be sure it is not a translation typo:

It is not a or there is no translation typo. I think, we have an interpretation problem. The "issue" here is within the (original) German description and then with a translation into English. It says "Keulen-Querruder", but to be more precise, it should have read something like "keulenförmige Querruder" or "Querruder mit Keulenprofil". The "Keulen-" (clubs or bats) part just referrs to the shapes or profiles of the ailerons.

@Revi16,
I just want to say, you drew a wrong conclusion here, by overlooking orthography. The google definition you quoted does exist and is correct as such, but it referrs to the slang expression or verb "keulen". But the here relevant term is spelled "Keulen". A capital or upper key first letter (and in the middle of a sentence) indicates (in German) this being a subject (grammar) and the "-n" at the end indicates the plural form of the word "Keule" (bat or club).

[RolandF]

I think this describes the skewed end of the aileron towards the wingtip. As far as I can see on details this is not cut straight but features rounded surfaces. So this part resembles a Keule - one end thicker than the other and rounded off.

Regards
RolandF

[Revi16]

Originally Posted by ChrisMAg2

@Revi16,
I just want to say, you drew a wrong conclusion here, by overlooking orthography. The google definition you quoted does exist and is correct as such, but it referrs to the slang expression or verb "keulen". But the here relevant term is spelled "Keulen". A capital or upper key first letter (and in the middle of a sentence) indicates (in German) this being a subject (grammar) and the "-n" at the end indicates the plural form of the word "Keule" (bat or club).

If you read my post, I offer up a possibility not a conclusion.
How would anyone know how the word "Keulen" was used in the original documents based on CJE's first post?

[ChrisMAg2]

Originally Posted by Revi16

If you read my post, I offer up a possibility not a conclusion.
How would anyone know how the word "Keulen" was used in the original documents based on CJE's first post?

Objection accepted. Nevertheless, even JCE spelled it as "Keulen" with a capital/ upper key "K", thus leaving my explanation still valid.

[CJE]

Thanks gents,

As I assumed, it confirms that the moving surfaces had a symmetrical profile (just like a baseball bat -> Keulen), so that they could be mounted indifferently on the port wing or on the starboard wing.
The same goes for the rudders and tailplanes.