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Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945
Hi Folks,
I am looking for data on lost Ju 52s, He 111s, Do 17s, Ju 87s and DFS 230 gliders participating in the Budapest airlift in January, 1945. Especially interested in lost TG.2, TG.3, and TG.4 Ju 52 losses. (WNr., plane letter-code, pilot, date, cause of loss, etc.) Thanks, Gabor |
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945
Hi Gabor,
I am not interested directly in Budapest operation but during my research of last months of WW2 I founded out several notices about German Transportflieger over Hungaria. Not WNr. and others but mainly memories of both, German and Russian airmen. If you have interest I would like to talk to you about this matter but not here. Best Michal |
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945
Hi Gabor,
this is what I have: The sourced is the Genst.Gen. Qu. 6. Abt. 06-01-45 III./TG correction Ofw. Hammer Walter WIA Fw. Fischer Rudolf MIA Ofw. Braun Thomas MIA 06-01-45 III./TG 3 H Budapest Crash, fire on impact Ju 52/3m will follow 100 Fw. Edelmann Alfred F KIA Fw. Frerichs Martin B WIA Ogefr. Siebert Rudolf Bf WIA Fw. Ulbrich Erich Bw KIA 14-01-45 II./TG 2 H Papa Crash, technical problems Ju 52/3m 130735 70 Ofw. Dietrich F WIA Ofw. Brübach Bf WIA Ofw. Kalnischke Bm WIA Fw. Walter Bs WIA 16-01-45 II./TG 2 F Unknown Unknown Ju 52/3m 641033 8TÌFN 100 Ofw. Tielemann Otto F MIA Ofw. Pfeiffer Gottfried Bf MIA Ofw. Scherer Oskar Bm MIA Gefr. Gronerst Hatmut Bs MIA Ofhr. Becher Georg F MIA 16-01-45 II./TG 2 F Not reported Enemy attack Ogefr. Emmich Bs KIA 16-01-45 III./TG 3 F Not reported Enemy attack Ofw. Weissert Bf WIA Ogefr. Kappenhagen Bm WIA Uffz. Giesemann Bs WIA Fw. Meyer Bs WIA 16-01-45 III./TG 4 F Unknown Flak hits Ju 52/3m 640612 G6ÌDU 100 Ofw. Rupp Josef F MIA Ofw. Lechelt Rudolf Bf MIA Uffz. Grunert Helmut Bm MIA Ofw. Meinecke Hermann Bs MIA 16-01-45 III./TG 4 F SW Stuhlweißenburg Devensive fire Ju 52/3m 131068 60 Hptm. Büsselmann Ernst F WIA Ogefr. Killing Karl-Heinz B KIA 16-01-45 III./TG 4 correction Ofw. Jaschinski Otto 17-01-45 III./TG 3 H Not reported Crash, fire on impact Ju 52/3m 10015 100 Uffz. Glatter F WIA Uffz. Müller Bf KIA Uffz. Wölfer Bm KIA Gefr. Wehler Bs KIA 18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Gran Unknown DFS 230 to follow 100 Fw. Kappacher Kurt F MIA 18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Budapest Unknown DFS 230 to folow 100 Fw. Schilling August F MIA 18-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich F Near Budapest Unknown DFS 230 to follow 100 Ogefr. Spichtinger Jakob F MIA The following losses of Schleppgruppe zbV Reich occurr during the period 18-01-45 to 04-02-45. The exact date is not reported. XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0086 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0108 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 0424 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 2086 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21279 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21293 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21349 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 21352 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22143 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22156 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22166 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22179 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22200 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22203 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22213 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22346 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22857 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 22902 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25128 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25259 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25293 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25358 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25362 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25364 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25506 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25509 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 25510 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27040 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27058 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27085 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27213 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27282 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27345 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27407 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27462 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27518 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 27589 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 120151 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 120161 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 122814 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 122888 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 127225 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170003 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170004 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170005 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 170006 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 220406 100 XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown DFS 230 221288 100 The following pilots were reported missing in action during the same time period. Possibly used in ground fighting with infantry. XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ltn. Wachter F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofhr. Müller F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fhr. Dörner F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fhr. Reinholdt F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Filins F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Haupt F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ofw. Kleinke F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Jung F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Kazzacher F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Lindemann F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Schilling F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Fw. Tiethmüller F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Berger F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Busch F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Drescher F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Held F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Herda F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Irion F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Itter F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Jäger F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Kröger F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Kusserow F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Lienemann F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Martin F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Mayer F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Noack F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Ochsenfatth F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Petri F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Pickard F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Roholick F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Savenburg F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Schwarze F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Schödel F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Steinbart F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Thicke F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Toth F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Verpott F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Uffz. Veit Hans F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Günther F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Hess F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Hoffmann F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Keck F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Körner F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Rüdel F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schäfer F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schirmeier F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Schlöppmann F MIA XX-01-45 SchleppGrpzbV Reich F Budapest Unknown Ogefr. Spichtilger F MIA 19-01-45 II./TG 2 F W Papa Fighter attack Ju 52/3m 7230 100 Stfw. Geißler Heinrich F WIA Uffz. Lowinski Josef Bf KIA Uffz. Weidinger Roman Bw WIA Ogefr. Winterberg Gerhard Bs WIA 19-01-45 SchleppStzbV Reich H Near Gießen Forced landing, poor weather DFS 230 A-2 122163 25 24-01-45 III./TG 2 H AF Papa Engine trouble Ju 52/3m 7168 35 27-01-45 III./TG 2 F Unknown Unknown Ju 52/3m 5542 8TÌAR 100 Fw. Kreymeier Josef F MIA Ogefr. Wyers Mathias Bf MIA Uffz. Burmeister Werner Bm MIA Fhr. Christian Anton Bs MIA 27-01-45 III./TG 3 F Unknown Flak hits Ju 52/3m 3259 G6ÌAP 100 Oltn. Czirz Johann F KIA Fw. Schramm B KIA Uffz. Rieser Bf MIA 27-01-45 III./TG 3 H Uij-Molomsck Gear damage Ju 52/3m 10017 25 27-01-45 Schleppgruppe 1 F Sagan-Küpper Artillerie hits Ofw. Hauschild Alfr Bw WIA 28-01-45 II./TG 2 F Budapest Flak hits Ju 52/3m 501434 10 Uffz. Holder Herbert Bf WIA It is not the best formatting, but I'm sure you will figuer it out. Any questions regarding the entries fire away. Reagrds, Norbert |
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945
Oh My God!!!
Norbert, I do not have words... It will take for a while to review all these data, but many thanks for this in advance!! Not long ago I talked to a Ju 52 vet, who participated in many Budapest night missions in January, 1945. Well, it was more than interesting.... In minus 20, in the circle of the Russian search lights in the rain of the flak fragments, finding the drop zone in the dark and push the containers out of the door.... Well, I think Hollywood and all the new action movies are nothing compaired to these historical stories.... Thanks again, Gabor |
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Re: Lost Ju 52s in January, 1945
I have one loss at Prottes, Lower Austria on January 11th, 1945.
Junkers Ju 52 WNr.: 501.432 Uffz. EBERLE, Fritz Beobacher Fw. HUTHER, Eugen Bordmechaniker Fw. KÜHN, Helmut Flugzeugführer Uffz. PFAHLS, Josef Bordfunker Does anyone have more data about those missions to Budapest? Thanks for posting. Kurtl |
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