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Re: Me110: Ill-used in BoB
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Thank you George. Fernando and I did the 'C', 'D' & 'E'. Are you going to complete the set by doing the 'F' & 'G' given your extensive knowledge of these variants?
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Hello George
the gunner seat had very low back only up to the lumbar region, or what ever in English, and he was able to stand up if he wanted to fire downwards and for this he had a free standing belt attached to the floorboard. He well might also had a lap strap, at least for use during take offs and landings, but I'm not sure of that but probably he had. John surely knows the answer. Anyway he was not strapped onto his seat as tightly as pilot. Juha |
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Karl-Fritz Schröder (Bordfunker, Erpr. Gr. 210/SKG 210/ZG 1) told me they would normally sit facing forward at their radio equipment for take-off.
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Hello John
yes, with seat without high back that was the only logical position if the bordfunker didn't have 100% surety that there will be no crash. Juha |
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In going through the 110 handbooks I found the following sketch which indicates that the radop/gunner had two seats, the forward, folding, one, with lap strap obviously, as John noted, for take-off and landing. And, the rear one for gunnery duties, with, as you mentioned, a strap attached to the cockpit floor. Quote:
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George,
I think that is not an 'E' variant. Maybe I'm nitpicking, but that diagram shows the earliest style of Bordfunker's central rear canopy, which is the fully enclosed type. Even before the 'E' came into service in late-1940, the central rear canopy could be seen with a central cutout in it for the rear MG to be seated centrally on a permanent basis. Also, some units removed the central canopy altogether.
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Although not really adding anything to the debate I just came across this image and thought I would post it here to supplement George's post as it a nice shot of the Bordfunker's position on the Me 110. The photo dates from Aug/Sep 1940.
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My reference to the 110E was made only to the firing diagram that I enclosed. Thanks for the great photo of the 110's gunner's position, Andy. |
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Hello George
IMHO in Andy's photo WO/AG sits on his normal seat, ie on the rear one. It was rotaring or swinging seat, whatever is the right term in English. The same system was in many a/c with WO/AG so that he could use radio when facing forward and his mg when facing backwards. The forward WO/AG seat is a rarity, maybe because in early Bf 110s WO/AG must also reload MG FFs with new magazines he needed more space and could not reach radio controls from his gunner position he needed separate seat for WO work. Juha Last edited by Juha; 31st January 2009 at 22:05. Reason: Correcting a typo |
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