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Old 28th September 2012, 20:04
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Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

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Among the EoE WG (Working Group) our experts have been discussing the color profile project as it relates to the Bf109F-1, which was just coming into service with JG51 during the last quarter of 1940. We're trying to decide if anyone flying F-1s during this period merits a color profile for their Stab section or Staffel during that period of time. The obvious question arises about the F-1 of Werner Mölders during this period. There are many photos available of the F-1 that he apparently flew during that period, factory coded SG+GW, WNr5628, but there are none that I know of FOR CERTAIN that carried his Gesch Kde stab markings on this a/c before the end of the year. There are photos with the factory code in black and with the factory code painted out, but none that I know of that show this a/c with Stab markings in place before the end of the year. During this period, his a/c clearly showed his full scoreboard on the rudder, which was revised as his score increased. Does anyone have any proof one way or another that this a/c actually carried Stab markings at any time during this period? If he didn't, does anyone have any hard info as to why he didn't have his stab markings painted on this F-1? We know that his a/c did eventually carry a full set of Gesch Kde markings at least by early 1941.



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Old 28th September 2012, 23:35
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

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I think I might have a photo-be in touch when I get home
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Old 29th September 2012, 00:32
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

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Old 29th September 2012, 00:44
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This?

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Old 29th September 2012, 00:54
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

Oberst,

Excellent photo, but do you have a firm date for this? The person in the photos isn't wearing heavy clothing, so could be before the dead of winter set in. Does the rudder marking tell us when this was?

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Old 29th September 2012, 02:58
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

Firm date no. Either 16th or 26th of October. Weather was cloud and widespread drizzle. I could be wrong on date however.
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Old 29th September 2012, 15:46
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

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Is your photo clear enough to count the victories on the tail?

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Old 29th September 2012, 18:42
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No, but a guess would be 28-35ish. Again, just a guess.
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Re: Question about the markings on the Bf109F-1 of Werner Mölders during the last quarter of 1940

I think it's closer to 60 ish...
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Old 29th September 2012, 20:13
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Other close ups of his rudder show that the first 4 full rows equal 66 kills. Which would date this photo as 1941.
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