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KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Hi,according to the publication " Junkers 88 Kampfgeschwader over Russia" by
Osprey, KG3 lost eight a/c on the last day of June 1942. Could anybody help identifying any of these aircraft for i have no losses on this date. Best regs, Steve. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
The KG 3 recorded three (not thirty) incidents on the 30.June 1942, none combat flights.
Our list has twenty-two (not thirty) KG 3 incidents for the entire month of June 1942, eight non-combat. The seven "100%" combat losses occurred over a ten day period, 14.-24.June. The scholarship of the Osprey series varies. GRM Last edited by G.R.Morrison; 23rd July 2016 at 17:21. Reason: Edit: fix typo. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
FYI, 30 June was just A-4 088 6661 and 6672 (2 "losses")
However on last day of July (6) and first of August (2) was total 8 "losses" (088 6648 5K+IH, 3703 5K+EK, 4653, 3795, 4613, 3695 (5K+DS) + 3732 and 0360236 5K+LP) Mentioning various lack of, or (non-)skills, fails get proper applause. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Thank you GRM, and Ed.
I only have in my lists the following, between 14 and 24th June 1942 these were all operational incidents; 14.6.42 W.Nr 360185 Fw.Rasch, 15.6.42 W.Nr 6761 Uffz. Kurt Schmidtke, 18.6.42 W.Nr 6692 Lt.Erich Drefahl. I have no details for W.Nr's 6672 or 6661 on 30.6.42 or for W.Nr 3732 1.8.42. Any further help would be appreciated on these. Kindest regs, Steve. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Hi GRM and Ed, could you possibly help with the missing losses im seeking.
Any help would be appreciated. For a unit with much operational service throughout the war theres little published source material out there. Kindest regs, Steve. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Sorry for the late response, I've been away in Canada on a photographic 'expedition,' (no electricity, no computer, no phone - nice!) and only just returned late yesterday. GRM
Here's what we have: Ju 88C-6 WNr.360185 of the 6./KG 3, 5K+BP Lost 14.June 1942 during mission from Weliki Luki to Nelidowa, Notlandung. Bf Ogefr. Gerhard Guth beaten to death by villagers, pilot Fw. Gerhard Rasch (287FF, DK i. G.) and Beobachter Uffz. Otto Wirth escaped across river and returned. 100% loss. Ju 88A-4 WNr.6761 of the 9./KG 3, 5K+DT Uffz. Kurt Schmidtke MIA 15.June 1942 on a mission from Toropjetz to Bologoje with crew (B Uffz. Erwin Schultz, Bf Ofw. Karl Ihlow & Bs Uffz. Josef Kaczmarek), cause unknown. 100% loss. Ju 88A-4 WNr.6692 of the 3./KG 3, 5K+FL Ltn. Fritz Drefahl (DK i.G.) MIA 18.June 1942 with crew (B Uffz. Bruno Eckert, Bf Ofw. Rudolf Scheuer & Bs Uffz. Kurt Jahraus) during a mission to Kirow, cause unknown. 100% loss. Ju 88A-4 WNr.6672 of the 8./KG 3 Ltn. Karl Bergmann and crew (B Ogefr. Günter Kautz, Bf Uffz. Karl Müller & Bs Uffz. Viktor Funke [Uffz. Viktor Benke per loss report]) killed 30.June 1942 in crash at Babinitschi. 100% loss, non-combat flight. Ju 88A-4 WNr.6661 of the 1./KG 3 Bauchlandung 30.June 1942 at Schatalowka due to engine trouble. Crew not named. 30% damage, non-combat flight. Ju 88A-4 WNr.3732 of the 5./KG 3 Notlandung 1.Aug. 1942 at Dmitrowka due to infantry fire. Aircraft burned. Bs Ogefr. Gerhard Uhsemann injured. 100% |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Many thanks GRM, that really clears up the gaps I have for this unit during this time. Much appreciated.
Could you help confirm the crew of the following, one last time! 15.5.42 Ju88A-4 W.Nr.3744 Fw.Gerhard Achilles MIA, 29.5.42 Ju88A-4 W.Nr.6709 Fw.Otto Wahl KIA, 3 others MIA. Kindest regs, Steve. |
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Re: KG3 in Russia May 1942.
Here they are. GRM
Ju 88A-4 WNr.3744 of the 5./KG 3, 5K+PN Fw. Gerhard Achilles MIA 15.May 1942 with crew (B Uffz. Josef Raucher, Bf Uffz. Gottfried Steiner & Bs Gefr. Adam Neutermann) during a mission to Szablage, cause unknown. Ju 88A-4 WNr.6709 of the Stab III./KG 3, 5K+CD Fw. Otto Wahl KIA 29.May 1942, cause unknown, during a mission to PlQu. 37 13. Rest of crew (B Uffz. Kurt Dembowy [Dombrosi per loss report], Bf Uffz. Artur Gutzeit & Bs Uffz. Heinrich Keuper) returned. You may wish to refer to posts from Salonen & North on this board on 20.May 2013 |
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Re: KG3 in Russia June 1942.
Good afternoon George, thanks a lot for the two additional crew queries.
Many thanks to you for your trouble, its really helped. Kindest regs, Steve. |
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