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Old 17th March 2018, 09:39
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Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

What matches these claims?
Unfounded or MISIDENTIFICATION?

III/JG27:

13/06/43=2 Beauf.30km O. Salynthos
08/10/43=1 B-25 N.Araxos
08/10/43=1 Manchester?? S.O.Pthymi
30/10/43=1 Beauf.Castelrosso Island
03/11/43=1 B-26 SO.Eleusis
24/01/44=1 Baltimore Aegean See
18/02/44=1 B-26 E.Gadura

Nothing found in Baltimore's loss lists (203°Sq.69° Sq,454 RAAF Sq.15 SAAF Sq)
Idem for B-26 (14° Sq,24 SAAF Sq,25 SAAF Sq)

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Old 17th March 2018, 20:23
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Re: Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

Hello,
From the Tony Woods files I find the following for 1943.
13 July
Two Beaufighter claims, one each for Wies and Stuckler of JG27.
8 October
Two B25 "Mitchell" claims, one each for Rodel and Hoppe of JG27
One "Manchester" by Stuckler of JG27.
30 October
One Beaufighter claim by Loffler of JG27.
3 November
One B26 " Marauder" claim by Culemann of JG27.

Perhaps for 30 October
Beaufighter 47 Sqn - JM317 - Hayter and Harrer, both RNZAF.

And possibly for 24 January 44
Two Beaufighter losses,
Both of 227 Sqn, JL905 and EL270.
No Baltimore so far.

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Old 18th March 2018, 00:58
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Re: Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

Hello all

III/JG27:

13/06/43=2 Beauf.30km O. Salynthos 252 lose 1
08/10/43=1 B-25 N.Araxos 4 B-25s claimed 321st BG lose 2
08/10/43=1 Manchester?? S.O.Pthymi A B-25 claim.
30/10/43=1 Beauf.Castelrosso Island 227 2 damaged 1 by a Ju 88 1 by a
MC.202 which is this claim
03/11/43=1 B-26 SO.Eleusis 321st lose 1 to Flak and 2 dam by
109s.
24/01/44=1 Baltimore Aegean See 15 SAAF damaged by a 109
18/02/44=1 B-26 E.Gadura Do not know as yet. Not the 227 or
16 SAAF lost Beaufighters.
If any one can add anything please do. The Aegean air war will be covered in Vol 5 of the MAW series.

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Old 18th March 2018, 05:51
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Re: Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

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Originally Posted by Alex Smart View Post
Hello,
From the Tony Woods files I find the following for 1943.
13 July
Two Beaufighter claims, one each for Wies and Stuckler of JG27.
8 October
Two B25 "Mitchell" claims, one each for Rodel and Hoppe of JG27
One "Manchester" by Stuckler of JG27.
30 October
One Beaufighter claim by Loffler of JG27.
3 November
One B26 " Marauder" claim by Culemann of JG27.

Perhaps for 30 October
Beaufighter 47 Sqn - JM317 - Hayter and Harrer, both RNZAF.

And possibly for 24 January 44
Two Beaufighter losses,
Both of 227 Sqn, JL905 and EL270.
No Baltimore so far.

All for now
Alex
Hello,

Perhaps for 30 October - Beaufighter 47 Sqn - JM317 - Perhaps not!

30/10/1943
No.47 Sqn RAF
Beaufighter X JM317 'S'

Detailed to escort two B-25's* which were to attack shipping in Naxos harbour. Shot down by flak. Crew evaded via Turkey.

131482 F/O (Pilot) William Edward 'Bill' HAYTER RAFVR - R.T.U., Evaded via Turkey.
1187249 W/O (Nav.) Thomas Joseph HARPER RAFVR - R.T.U., Evaded via Turkey (of 603 Sqn)

* B-25's from 321BG/446BS - one lost (42-64579 - MACR 1137)

Subject to correction, which is welcomed.

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Re: Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

In summary

13/06/43=2 Beauf.of 227°Sqr ?? (Greek source) or one 252°Sqd ?
08/10/43=2 B-25 of 321°B.GROUP (445°Sqd)
30/10/43=1 Beauf.of 47°Sqr (damaged by flak and finished by Uffz.Loffler ?)
03/11/43=1 B-25 of 321°B.Group (42-32486) gross misidentification,amazing but not exeptional.

the 2 beaufighter (JL 905 and EL 270 of 227°Sqr) lost the 23/01/44 and not 24/01/44 (Greek source and fighters over the aegean:Brian Cull)

18/02/44=perhaps misidentification,but what?.....US Losse? or unfounded?

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Re: Loss Identifications in Greece,Aegean Sea

On 13 Jun 43, JL765 (King & Stone) was shot down by three Bf 109s according to the F540
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