B-17G 42-107085 Lt. Creagh Crew

[streak98]

Hello,
looking for all Informations regarding the Loss of B-17G 42-107085 "Little Chum" from 1st. Lt. Eugene M. Creagh and Crew. The MACR 8908 showing different Losses also from B-17G 43-38295 and also B-17G 43-38261, which happened on 12th. September 44 in the Harz Region, near Stapelburg.
Due to Eye and Timewitnesses we believe that Lt. Creagh crashed in the vicinity between St. Andreasberg and Braunlage.

Every Help in this case is welcome,

Thanks in advance,

streak98

[Alex Smart]

Page 5 of the macr gives the reported crash location.

[Snautzer]

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/2483 but B-17 masterlog http://www.8thafhs.com/get_mia_aircraft.php?acgroup_id=29&mission_date=19 44-09-12

[digedag1]

Hallo streak98,


Abschuss-Nr. KU 2927
Abschusstag und Zeit: 12.9.44 - 11.30
Abschußort: Stapelburg
Flugzeugtyp: Fortress
Meldende Dienststelle: Fl.Pl.Kdo. Goslar


Besatzung: Boumkana, Taylor, Deitzler, Wilkinson, Yaskiewicz, Scanlon, Breitenstine.


Bemerkungen: 8908

Dulag-Luft, den 23.9.44

[streak98]

Hi Guys,

First of all.... "Sorry" for my late reply to you....
Thanks for helping with your Information`s, but further a very difficult case regarding the crashsite of B-17 42-107085. Not 100% sure that the crashsite near Stapelburg is correct....
I think that only the IDPF for Lt. Eugene M. Creagh can help.

Thanks again for all,

streak98

[Rottler]

Hello streak98,

the second loss of a B-17 near Stapelburg on 12 Sep 1944 concerned the 43-38214 (MACR 8864, 1st Lt Alfred Louis Goodman crew, 2 KIA, 6 POW, casualty no./Abschuß-Nr. KU 2891).

Regards
Leo

[streak98]

Hi Leo,

Thank`s again for the Information.... due to NARA and MACR 8864, 43-38214 went down near Wackersleben, 42 Km. WSW from Magdeburg. KU 2958....

....really not an easy task....

greetings Dirk

[Rottler]

Hello Dirk,

the casualty return KU 2891 was drawn up by the DULAG-LUFT on 3 Oct 1944 and updated on 2 Nov 1944 with the names of six POW of the Lt Goodman crew.
The KU 2958 documents refer to different flyers and crash places, so to Britz north of Eberswalde (Sgt Groff and 2 dead) and Wackersleben (Sgt Groff and identification tags of three crew members of the B-17 43-38355, shot down near Üplingen, KU 2944, MACR 8871).
I quote the book "Im Anflug auf Planquadrat Julius-Cäsar, Flugzeugabstürze des 2. Weltkrieges im nördlichen Harzvorland" (Sternal-Hartmann) page 42 – ISBN 978-3-7392-1834-2:
An jenem Tag, dem 12.9.1944, stürzte noch ein weiterer amerikanischer B-17-Bomber ab. Der Bomber mit der Werknummer 43-38214 vom 493 BG, ging zwischen Stapelburg und Anderbeck nieder. Im Heck der abgestürzten Maschine fand man zwei Tote, der Rest der Besatzung hatte sich durch Absprung retten können und kam in Gefangenschaft.
The two dead were the ball turret gunner S/Sgt Cheek and the tail gunner S/Sgt Groff of the Goodman crew.

Regards
Leo

[RSwank]

Here are links to the KU reports mentioned above. Not sure if seeing the reports will help.

KU-2958 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/147898844

KU-2957 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/147898837

KU-2927 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/147898500

KU-2891 https://catalog.archives.gov/id/147898359


There is a commercial service I have used to get IDPF files in the past. It is NOT free but you can generally get a file electronically in a week or two. I can PM you the address if you interested.

[streak98]

Hi RsWank,

Sorry for late reply,.... could you send me please via PM the Details for the commercial service....???

Regards

streak98 (Dirk)