9./NJG 3

[DDT]

Hi,

According to the same sources, Balss/Scherzer, I found some names with a different spelling:
1. On the night of 11/12 may 1944 a Ogefr. Rudi Lehmbach/Lehnbach was KIA together with his pilot and gunner when their a/c crashed near Stade.
2. On the night of 8/9 december 1941 the staffel lost two Bf 110. But there seames a mixing up of the crews:
Balss says: Uffz Arngrim Uffz Kunze Ogefr. Boel as the first and Oblt. Hautt and Uffz. Kunze in the second. What is strange as Uffz. Kunze Walter can’t be in two machines at the same time, unless we are talking about 2 different Uffz. Kunze!
Scherzer says: Uffz. Arngrim and Ogefr. Pöll in the first and Oblt. Hautt and Uffz. Kunze in the second. additionally he writes that Kunze is also a pilot. That could be possible as both were on a training flight.
Perhaps someone has more information On the circumstances of what was the correct crew composition and their function on board of the a/c.
Kind regards,

Dirk

[retje]

Hallo,

1944.05.11, 9./NJG 3, Bf 110, D5+ET, 440001, Riensförde/Stade
Flugzeugführer Uffz. Konzer, Peter, +
Bordfunker Ogfr. Lehmbach, Rudi, +
Bordmechaniker Ogfr. Andersch, Heinrich, +
Absturz durch Motorschaden (23.42)
(NVM)


René

[Rottler]

Hello Dirk,

GQM loss return 11 Dec 1941, item 11:
crash near Esslingen, crew F Uffz Angrimm, Einar + and Bf Ogfr Boel, Rupert +. Loss category 22 = destroyed without enemy action on a non-operational flight.
GQM loss return 11 Dec 1941, item 12:
crash near Echterdingen, crew F Oblt Hautt, Oskar + and Bf Uffz Kunze, Walter +. Loss category 22.

Regards
Leo

[Matti Salonen]

From the NVM:

1941-12-09, 9./NJG 3, Bf 110 E-1, 3450, M8+HN, 200 m nordöstlich Berkheim, 3 km südöstlich Esslingen am Neckar
Flugzeugführer Uffz Arngrim, Einar, +
Bordschütze Obgfr Pöll, Ruppert, +
Absturz bei Scheinwerferausbildungsflug. Bruch 100 %.

1941-12-09, 9./NJG 3, Bf 110 E-1, 4315, D5+BT, 300 m östlich Steinenbronn, 5 km südwestlich Echterdingen
Flugzeugführer Oblt Hautt, Oskar, +
Bordfunker Uffz Kunze, Walter, +
Absturz bei Landung um 22.30 Uhr. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

[Stig Jarlevik]

One question

Scheinwerferausbildung should that be interpreted as some kind of co-operation training with searchlights on the ground?

Since searchlights usually worked with AA units, is it thus known how this training/co-operation worked?

Cheers
Stig

[DDT]

René, thx for clearing out the name of Rudi Lehmbach.
Leo, Matti, thx for putting the crews straight. So Uffz. Kunze is a bordfunker. Should have known it was a typo. But I gave it always the benefit of the doubt.
Have a nice we, although...it’s raining cats and dogs...
Dirk

[DDT]

Well Stig, I have to look it up. But by hart, I think in the first years the Nachtjagd used a tactic that searchlights tried to cone the bombers so the nightfighters could have a shot.
Kind regards.
Dirk

[Stig Jarlevik]

Funny Dirk

I tried to recall if they actually did, but simply could not remember.
Seems they must have done so, perhaps even more than the British did.

I wonder if the crash was due to the crew being blinded by the searchlights they trained together with?

Cheers
Stig