Α Ju 52 at the coast of Salonika

[byron-]

Τhank you Remi for this valuable info, aufwiedersehen in Salonika.

[Rottler]

Hi,

compare this discussion with the thread "Luftwaffe Losses Detailed Information" on page 20.

Regards
Leo

[byron-]

Remi,
Are any names of the crew known and the date of the accident in Salonika?
What i can see on the rudder is: W4 K

[RT]

Greh uffz bf v
Scholz uffz bm v
Toth uffz bs v
Hiepe georg oge fl,gast t Lei,Fl,891

G6 or C6, one is wrong probably G6.. miswriting

Rémi

[byron-]

Remi,

there is something wrong with it, these men you mentioned were lost as follows: 29.05.43 Ju 52 (DD+CX, W.Nr. 7103) 100% von Sq. 227 abgeschossen und ins Meer bei Milos notgewassert,
FF. unverletzt, BF. Uffz Greh (vw), BM. Uffz Scholz (vw), BS. Uffz Toth (vw), Passagier Ogfr, Georg Hiepe (+),
My question is: what happened in Salonika, crew?

[RT]

We deducted from Wn that is the same plane, on reports is given as 100 % lost, but seems if the plane in your picture is really 7103, that damage grade is wrong, nd that plane has been "geborgen", I supposed towed/schleppt to the port, important also is to try to locate the PQ 48534/23 , really near Milos ??
The 7103 was traveling from Milos to Athen, so no way for it to cruise near Saloniki..
Here there is a bit of mystery

Rémi

[Col Bruggy]

Hello,

Two days later (29 May, 1943), another Ju 52 fell to the guns of 227 Squadron pilots, C6+ES/7103 of Seetrnsptstfl.1 being the victim, onboard which one passenger (a marine) was killed and three crew wounded. Flg Off Red Modera (EL460/U) led Sgts Keith Thomas (EL552/S) and A. D. Hay (JL708/A) on a stern attack while Plt Off Jack Phillips (JL533/K) came in from head-on scoring strikes on its port engine and wing following which it alighted on the sea just as Modera (from Kenya) opened fire from astern. Thomas and Hay then carried out a strafing attack. The Beaufighters then turned their attention to an accompanying Ar 196, D1+IH of 1./126,flown by Fw Michalek, Plt Off Phillips made the initial attack and scored hits, followed by the other three. The floatplane flew towards a nearby island, ditched in a bay on fire and the crew were seen running towards a village. The pilot survived unhurt but his observer died. The Arado was strafed until it blew up and the Ju 52 was seen burning fiercely. But for 227 Squadron the loss of six crews in four weeks was a rude awakening to its new role of running down German capacity to supply the Aegean islands by sea and air. However six German aircraft had been shot down in return and a number of small vessels and caiques had been destroyed or damaged.

See:
Fighters Over The Aegean Hurricanes Over Crete, Spitfires Over Kos, Beaufighters Over the Aegean, 1943-44.
Cull,Brian.
N.p.,:Fonthill Media Ltd.,2012.
p.23

Col.

[byron-]

Thanks Col, the Arado was:
Ar 196 A (D1+IH, W.Nr. 0298) 100% FF. Fw. Michalek, mit BO. Ltn. Josef Müller (+), bei Begleitung einer Ju 52 Phaliron-Milos von 4 Beaufightern angegriffen. Notlandung am 29.05.43 vor dem Hafen Lutra der Insel Kythnos,
The Ju 52 must have been the (DD+CX, W.Nr. 7103) 100% mit FF. unverletzt, BF. Uffz Greh (vw), BM. Uffz Scholz (vw), BS. Uffz Toth (vw), Passagier Ogfr. Georg Hiepe (+),



The Salonika incident probably occurred before that date and is still for me cloudy. Was G6+ES renamed to DD+CX ?

[gogh]

I have DD+CX as a Fw44 and The Ju52/3m WNr.7103 as DD+ZV

[byron-]

Gogh,

that makes things more complicated