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Old 14th December 2009, 18:08
James A Pratt III James A Pratt III is offline
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12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

According to the book "Luftwaffe War Diaries" On 16 January 1943 6 Bf 109s eluded the Russians at Pitomnik airfield and were ordered to go to Gumrak airfield. After 5 crashed while trying to land the 6th aircraft flown by Obltn Lukas vered off in time and flew west. Does anyone have any information on the unit or units and aircrew involved. as well as info on their fates. They are most likely members of JG 3. Thanks in advance.
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Old 14th December 2009, 18:17
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

Sorry about the typo in the title it is 16 Jan 43.
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Old 14th December 2009, 18:34
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

According to what information I have, no 109s were lost on the 16th anywhere near Pitomnik.
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Old 14th December 2009, 18:57
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

The closing dates for the two airfields tend to support the story, but the absence of loss report entries is troubling.

Pitomnik (e. Pitomnik) (a.k.a. Stalingrad-Pitomnik) (c. 48 44 N – 44 12 E)
General: airstrip 21 km W of Stalingrad and adjacent to major rail and road connections; in German use by August 1942; greatly expanded during October and the first half of November 1942 to serve out the winter as one of 7 major air bases around Stalingrad. 16 Jan 43 ceased operations.


Gumrak (e. Gumrak) (a.k.a. Stalingrad-Gumrak) (48 46 N – 44 20 E)
General: airstrip in S Russia 13.5 km WNW of Stalingrad. Dec 42 used for the Stalingrad airlift. 22 Jan 43 ceased operations.
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Old 16th December 2009, 00:05
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

It looks like the book may have got it wrong.
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Old 16th December 2009, 03:29
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

It is interesting to note that JG 3 blew up nearly a dozen Bf 109s on January 17 at Pitomnik.

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Old 16th December 2009, 21:55
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Re: 12 Jan 1943 Stalingrad Bf 109s

Hello James,

Relating to 5./JG 3 I have the following Me 109G's:
Date: Place: Type: Staffel W/nr Bruch: Cause:
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13696 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13792 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14513 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 13891 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14546 100% Gesprengt
43.01.17 Pitomnik Me 109G-2 5 14559 100% Gesprengt

Also see thread: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=18701

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