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G-14/AS 780793 loss
Hi gents,
I have two different losses for this one: 7./ JG 53 on 22/8/1944, 100%. (From Prien I think). 6./ JG 27 on 26/9/1944, no rate given in Arnhem. don't know the source. Thanks for your expert comments. Cheers, Franck. |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Hello Franck,
Regarding your inquiry on Bf109G-14 780793, I have the following in my database file: G-14/AS, 780793, 4+ - W, 7./II./JG 53, Uffz. Joachim Hübner, WIA/LK P-38, FSA, 44/08/22, SSW Achery, France, 100%, 53. My source is a JG53 loss list. Steve Sheflin |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
6./ JG 27 on 26/9/1944, no rate given in Arnhem. don't know the source.
There are 3 G 14 Losses of II./JG 27 at the 27 Sept. 44 in the Arnheim Area One are the 780 793 of Fhr. Horst Schneider - wounded 782 340 Fw Roland Haselbach POW and 780 944 Lt Alfred Belz + Greetings Peglar |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Peglar,
These II./27 losses were on 26/9/1944. Thanks, John Ps. cannot explain the 780793 either. I have the VLM for 6./27 on 26/9/44 and the number is clear...780793. J. |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
For both losses the NVMs give the 780793, in fact which other source could we hv for these losses ???
Rémi |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Thanks Guys,
I have the same pilot names and occurence. Note that LEMB StKz data page is giving White 4 for 6./JG 27 loss (?) The same data source is giving 780793 as a Regensburg G-6/AS in production batch sheet ... Whatever, it seems that the first hand source for all these losses listing are the NVMs as told by Rémi. What we do now?; expecting another source? A typo? maybe ... but amazingly I did check the production batch just to see its position in the list ... Bingo, It's the last of that said batch. Two 780793? Is it possible? Cheers, Franck. |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Hi Franck
you must read the entry as follows white 4 + - and other source D0079 with 6./JG 27 on 1944-09-26 D0079 is found on the source list in the LEMB list Sorry for the confusion. But I noticed many conflicting data is around. Therefore i attached the other source. I think one of the sources has a typo on the W.Nr. Kind regards Peter van Gogh |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Not sure why we talk about white 4....the NVM says literally;
Bf 109 G-6/AS, WNr. 780793, gelbe 4, 6./JG 27, Raum Arnheim Fhr. Horst Schneider, geb. 13.11.1924, EM 68416/689, vermisst. As far as I can see now he is still listed as MIA. Thanks, John |
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Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
Hello Peter & John,
This is the reason why it's a little bit confusing (extract from LEMB StKz data base). Peter is guilty - he knows - but not that much 'cause he did so huge work for long that he must be forgiven! In fact, as he wrote in his post upper we must read White 4 for 7./JG 53 source being B0469 and date of notice 22-8-1944. For 6./JG 27 we have respectively D0079 and 26-9-1944. Thanks anyway for your work Peter; I told you many times as you perfectly knows and until long-awaited-in-the-next-future-uptodate-publications it remains the (MY) main source of "inspiration"! Thank you John for tha "Gelbe 4" indication, very useful. Note that Peglar is writing "Wounded". My God! I cannot imagine how long it will takes if we have to check 35000 (around) numbers ... Life is so short! . Cheers, Franck. Last edited by ouidjat; 4th November 2012 at 11:20. |
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