JG 52 versus Soviet VVC May 20,44

[researcher111]

Definitely fantasies , yeah I red and got lots of material ,though you don't post any facts
any evidences rather jump the gun and rush to conclussions. Spokoynoy Notchy Moskweh
budy zdarov yh budy bagaz tovarish Nikita .


PS : if you need any related Opersvodky I would be glad to lend them to you for a
deeper study . Suggest you also go through history books of the Luftwaffe , cheers .

[Nikita Egorov]

Originally Posted by researcher111

Definitely fantasies , yeah I red and got lots of material ,though you don't post any facts
any evidences rather jump the gun and rush to conclussions. Spokoynoy Notchy Moskweh
budy zdarov yh budy bagaz tovarish Nikita .


PS : if you need any related Opersvodky I would be glad to lend them to you for a
deeper study . Suggest you also go through history books of the Luftwaffe , cheers .

Let us stick to the facts:

1. Your list of regiments in the first post was a mess including units with twisted designation and units not involved in the air battles unfolded on May 20, 1944. I highlighted that.
2. Number of claims that I listed is victories officially confirmed by Soviet side. It has nothing in common with real destroyed planes or actual German losses.
3. It is far from being excluded that all Soviet claims were fantasy. However, the final confirmation of it is burried in German papers. Before loss papers, apart from "Summarische verluste", found, researchers (I hope including the leading specialist on the air war on the East - researcher111) would use such adverbs as "perhaps", "probably", "conceivably" etc. in describing ratio of claims/losses if the picture is not 100% clear.
4. "Spokoynoy Notchy Moskweh
budy zdarov yh budy bagaz tovarish Nikita ." Sure. Thanks, tovarish researcher111.

PS. Thank you for the offer. I will be waiting for
related opersvodki of 267 IAP
178 GvIAP, 113 GvIAP, 117 GvIAP 5 GvIAP, 438 IAP, 897 IAP
866 IAP and 153 GvIAP to my e-mail address: nicknn@rambler.ru

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by researcher111

you don't post any facts
any evidences rather jump the gun and rush to conclussions ... Suggest you also go through history books of the Luftwaffe , cheers .

And I suggest that you stop trying to be clever and start trying to be polite. If you react this way when people try to help you, why would anyone bother helping you in future?

[John Manrho]

Claims of IV./JG 54:

10., Uffz. Händel, Jak-9, 12.25, Koschmisga in 2.000 mtr (F)
11., Lt. von Ohlen, Jak-9, 14.02, Pl.Q. 98752 in 1.000 mtr (F)
10., Oblt. Haala, Jak-9, 18.08, Koschmisga in 4.500 mtr (F)
Stab, Hptm. Koall, Il-2, 19.35, Pl.Q. 98724 in 500 mtr (F)

Cheers,

John