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Old 5th April 2012, 00:28
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LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Are there any known losses for LG1 in the period above please. I have details of the loss of L1+CN crew of Uffz. Fischer on the 23/24-12-1944, and the 1944 project shows a loss on the 18-12-1944 crew of Ofhr. Mathis with no aircraft or crew details,

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Old 5th April 2012, 12:44
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

17-12-1944: Flugplatz Ahlhorn Bruchlandung nach Flaktreffer
6 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+HP
FF Lt Berthold Michael - no fate listed
No other crew details.

26-12-1944: südl Lüttich - Flak
1 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+GH 331287
FF Lt Walter Schmidt - MIA
BO Ogefr Eberhardt Wächter - PoW
BF Ogefr Heinz Maslowski - PoW
BS Gefr Karl Dietzhoff - PoW

26-12-1944: Varel, Absturz beim Start
2 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+DK 330808
FF Uffz Theodor Bäcker - KIA
BO Uffz Arthur Wese - KIA
BF Reinhard Oswald - KIA
BS Uffz Otto Brandl - KIA

26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak
I./LG-1
Ju-88S-3 L1+AB 330976
FF Hptm Rüdiger Pannenborg - KIA
BO FjUffz Klaus Kleinecke - KIA
BF Uffz Eduard Scharrer - KIA
BS Uffz Karl Esders - KIA

26-12-1944: Raum St Vith, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
1 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+EH 330807
FF Ofhr Hans Leweck - MIA
BO ??
BF Uffz Mathias Bauer - MIA
BS Uffz Max Linke - (listed as VW but don't know what that refers to)

26-12-1944: Raum Marneffe, Flak
2 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+KK 330705
FF Uffz Gerhard Jahn - KIA
BO Ogefr Kurt Hesse - MIA
BF Fw Georg Kurt - MIA
BS Uffz Josef Loidl - KIA

26-12-1944: Maasbrücke Namur Flak
5 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330976
FF Lt Heinrich Schmidt - PoW
BO Fw Sieghard Ginsberg - MIA
BF Uffz Gerhard Knecht - MIA
BS Fw Heinrich Schuster - MIA

26-12-1944: Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?? 330932
FF Uffz Heinz van Dreumel - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to)
BO ??
BF Uffz Erich Huhn - KIA
BS Ogefr Karl Schmidt - (listed as VL but don't know what that refers to)

There are also 5 losses listed for 18-12-1944.

Source: Die Geschichte Des Lehrgeschwaders 1 Vol 2 1942-1945 by Peter Taghon
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Old 5th April 2012, 13:05
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330931
FF Lt Horst Bullmann - MIA
BO Fw Georg Leppelt - MIA
BF Uffz Helmut Duda - MIA
BS Fw Xaver Lichtinger - MIA

18-12-1944: 12km nördl. Kevelaer Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
4 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?M 330685
FF Ofhr Fritz Mathis - KIA
BO Gefr Otto Horländer - KIA
BF Ogefr Bruno Lechler - KIA
BS Gefr Heinrich Heitmann - KIA

18-12-1944: 1km SO Bocholt Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
5 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?N 330817
FF Fw Gottfried Wagler - KIA
BO Oblt Alfred Gose - KIA
No other crew details known

18-12-1944: Raum Aachen Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
6 Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330885
FF Ofhr Horst Panzer - MIA
BO Ogefr Rudolf Schneider - MIA
BF Uffz Werner Uhlig - MIA
BS Ogefr Erich Schröter - MIA

18-12-1944: Münster-Handorf Bruchlandung wegen Motorstörung
? Staffel
Ju-88S-3 L1+??
FF Uffz Hans Fischer
No other crew details known


The dates in Bold Red may indicate an error in the chronology of the list. They are all listed between a loss on 09-12-1944 and the loss on 17-12-1944 so they may of been losses for 16-12-1944 and have been entered with an incorrect day in the publication. The final loss shown for 18-12-1944 is entered between the loss on 17-12-1944 and the next loss on 23-12-1944 so believe this is a correctly listed entry.

There are 4 losses for Christmas Eve but none for Christmas Day.

Source: As previous post
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Old 5th April 2012, 13:07
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Hucks, thank you very much for this info, for the 26/27th I have details of the Gerhard Jahn, Heinrich Schmidt and Heinz von Dreumel crews. With von Dreumel I do not have the aircraft code and I have the wn as 330932.
The vw I believe indicates wounded while vl would be injured. I have vol 1 of the LG1 history but cannot afford the vol 2 at present so your help is much appreciated,

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Old 5th April 2012, 13:16
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

On the 16-12-1944 there was also an additional casualty when Ogefr Horst Schumann was injured in a motorbike accident.
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Old 5th April 2012, 13:48
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Thanks again Hucks the other ones I have are :-
1/ L1+KM took off from Aalhorn at 1730hrs on 23-12-44 fell to a N/F at 2000hrs near Hannut

Ff Fw Albert Johanntges - POW injured
B Uffz Joachim Flaskamper- POW injured
Bf Ogef Willy Conrad - POW
Bm Uffz Rodow - fate unknown

2/ L1+CN took off Aalhorm around 2330 hrs 23-12-44, attacked by a N/F then became lost, crew baled out near Nijmegen 0435hrs on 24th

FF Uffz Hans Fischer -POW
B Ogef Theodor Vychodil - POW
Bf Uffz Hermann Hubner - believed came down behind German lines
Bm Uffz Walter Strube - believed came down behind German lines

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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Brian Bines,
Uffz. Hermann Hübner KIA Ysselsteyn AL-2-36
Uffz. Walter Strübe MIA

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Old 5th April 2012, 21:27
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Fran A, thanks very much for the information, the Ff and B told their captors that the Bf and Bm baled out first so the two prisoners thought their two comrades had landed on the German side,

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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

Here are the four entries for 23-12-1944:

2 Staffel
Raum Frankfurt Absturz infolge Kraftstoffmangels
Ju-88S-3 L1+FK
BS Ofw Ernst Willmann - VL
No other crew details listed.

1 Staffel
Raum Marx Abstirz infolge Motorschadens
Ju-88S-3 L1+FH 330962
BF Ofw Richard Freihöfer - VL
No other crew details listed.

5 Staffel
Ahlhorn, Absturz beim Start
Ju-88S-3 L1+??
FF Ofhr Hans Weyermann - KIA
BO Uffz Heinz Dörfel - KIA
BF Ogefr Alfred Schwab - KIA
BS Ogefr Josef Austrup - KIA

4 Staffel
Raum Hannut, Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+KM 330933
FF Fw Albert Johänntges - PoW
BO Uffz Joachim Flaskämper - PoW
BF Ogefr Willi Konrad - PoW
BS Uffz Wilhelm Rudow - KIA
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Re: LG1 losses 16/17-12-44 to 25/26-12-1944

And the three for Christmas Eve...

3 Staffel
Eyller See/Nieukerk Luftkampf mit Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+CL 330687
FF Fw Rudolf Deutscher - KIA
BO Ogefr Paul Heinrich - MIA
BF Uffz Horst Tucholski - KIA
BS Uffz Ernst Franke - MIA

5 Staffel
Horssen/Nijmegen Absturz nach Beschuss durch Nachtjäger
Ju-88S-3 L1+CN 330955
FF Uffz Hans Fischer - PoW
BO Ogefr Theo Vychodil - PoW
BF Uffz Hermann Hübner - MIA
BS Uffz Walter Strube - MIA

6 Staffel
Zielgebiet Absturz
Ju-88S-3 L1+?P 330970
BS Uffz Hans Scheuba - MIA
No other crew details listed.
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