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Old 17th March 2017, 18:21
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361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,

On the 26th December 1944, I./JG 26 tangled with 361 FG, losing 5 Dora's.
Two P-51's were claimed by Obfw. SCHWARZ (Givet area) and Uffz. DELOR (Dinant area) but were unconfirmed and rejected. (source Caldwell)

On the same date, a P-51 (or F-6?) felt near Hargnies (F), 12 km South of Givet. Pilot killed and recovered by US troops later. (Source Pierre & Françoise ROGER, following Gendarmerie report dated 26/12/44).

Does the 361 FG lost an a/c in this battle? Is someone able to identify this pilot, perhaps (not sure!) victim of Erich SCHWARZ's guns ?

Any suggestion is welcome.

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Old 17th March 2017, 22:33
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Per Paul Cora's book on the 361st FG, claims were made for 6 FW190s, with no US losses.
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Old 18th March 2017, 01:11
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,
Steve Gotts book "Little Friends" confirms -

26 December 44

Mission 278
0910 - 1125 hrs
14 a/c dispatched
Sweep, Bonn-Giessen-Darmstadt-Speyer
No claims - No losses.

Mission 279
0840 - 1135 hrs ( I think the 0840 is a typo and should be 0940 )
10 a/c dispatched
Sweep, Speyer-Frankfurt-Limburg-Bonn
No claims - No losses.

Mission 280
0950 - 1210 hrs
14 a/c dispatched
Sweep, Speyer-Frankfurt- Giessen- Bonn
6 claimed - No losses.

Mission 281
1226 - 1525 hrs
14 a/c dispatched
Close escort B26s Metz-Pirmasens
No claims - No losses.

Mission 282
1226 - 1530 hrs
14 a/c dispatched
Close escort B26s Bad Kreuznach
No claims - No losses.

Mission 283
1430 - 1645 hrs
11 a/c dispatched
Fighter Sweep, Trier area
No claims - No losses.

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Old 18th March 2017, 01:50
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,
8th AAF losses for the 26th December 44.
P51's
352FG/487FS
44-13953 - MACR 11086 - 1Lt. Carl G. Tafel Jr - KIA.
356Fg/359FS
44-15029 - MACR 11078 - 1Lt. Warren C. Cooley - POW.
356Fg/359FS
44-15609 - MACR 11075 - Captain Claude J. Hackney Jr - KIA
Originally X-7525 later identified.

9th AAF
P51's
43-7201 landing accident .

Alex
Refs:
"Losses of the 8th & 9th Air Forces"; "Fighter Losses of the Mighty Eighth" ; armyairforces.com.
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Old 18th March 2017, 03:38
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,
Claims that were made/approved were as follows.

361st FG
376th FS

1Lt. Claire P. Chennault - 1.
1Lt. Bernard L. Dennehy - 1.
1Lt. David P. Overholt - 1.
1Lt. Homer G. Powell - 1.
1Lt. George R. Vanden Heuvel - 1.
Captain. Jay W. Ruch - 0.5.
1Lt. George R. Vanden Heuvel - 0.5.
Total = 6

Alex
Edited: Rich to Ruch

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Old 18th March 2017, 06:26
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,

Shared 376th FS claim for Fw 190 on 26 December, 1944, was 0-678945 Capt Jay W Ruch (not Rich), flying P-51D 44-15372:E9-J.

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Old 18th March 2017, 11:21
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Thanks Gent's.
Perhaps the record of the Gendarmerie report is shift by a day? Up today, anyone is able to ID this P-51/F-6, lacking dataplate or .50 guns.

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Old 18th March 2017, 18:10
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Hello,
A little off the subject question.
But who were the Luftwaffe victims of these encounters and did they survive the combat ?

Also could the a/c be Preddy's 25th ?

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Old 18th March 2017, 18:18
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Alex

Preddy was KIA by USA flak on Christmas day, early.
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Old 18th March 2017, 19:21
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Re: 361st FG P-51 lost against D-9?

Yes, but if the search date is in question then just maybe ?
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