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Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hello,
Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) claimed a victory on 27.Apr.43. According to Tony Wood, it was LaGG-3 at 14:52 According to JFV Bd.12/II, it was Il-2 at 14:02 What is written in original sources? The authors of JFV volumes corrected many Wood's errors but saddly made new ones. I am far from criticizing the authors for this, because in such a multivolume work full of facts, errors are inevitable. But it would be interesting to clarify some facts. In Bennemann's case he apparently claimed a LaGG, as weren't Il-2s in the air neither at 14:02 nor at 14:52. And it seems 14:52 is more probable than 14:02. Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hi Andrey
Both are wrong 100% it's a Jak-7, again time very difficult to read, but as they are in exact time order for JG52, and the next one is 100% 1415 hrs, it can only be 1402 or 1412 hrs, and it looks more like 1402. Both the one above and below on mikrofilm are Lagg's so easy mistake. Grid reference is 85183, altitude 3000 metres anerk.nr=182 This particular days mikrofilms cleaned-up to read beautifully, so no mistakes. Original very difficult to read, and more so towards the top of the page, difficult even to know where on the page you are....hence the LaGG. Kind regards Johannes |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
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It was undoubtedly the air combat against 6 Yak-1 of 4.IAP. 14:02 is too early but 14:12 looks like the actual time. 3 Yak-1 were lost against 4 claims, quite moderate overclaim ratio. Quote:
Kind regards Andrey P.S. Some days ago I have tried to send you a E-mail via forum. Do you received it? |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hi Andrey
I have sent you many e.mails on the e.mail address you sent me, and they didn't come back "unknown". I./JG52 seems a perfectly honest Gruppe to me, most false claims with this Geschwader come with III./JG52 specifically 7./JG52 and worst of all 9./JG52, II./JG52 is somewhere in the middle. Kind Regards Johannes |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hello Andrey
Unless I'm mistaken,I only have 2 claims around 14h00.(Bennemann/Quast) Others: 17h00/18h00=23 (including Slov/Kroat) vs 402 IAP (5 losses),812 IAP (1 lost) 16h00=12 vs ? 05h00=5 vs ? 13h00=1 vs ? 11h00=1 vs 291 IAP (1 lost) I have also 293 IAP (3 damaged) time ?? but what degrees of damage? belly-landings,crash-landings ?? Some sources speak of 13 Soviet losses in total!!..so it seems a BIG dose of overestimates!! Best Regards Michel |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hi Andrey/Michel
I checked the Staffel mikrofilm for Stab.I./JG52 which gives only date and time, and the correct time is 1402, i'm 100% on that. Kind regards Johannes |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hi Johannes,
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andkuztmp@mail.ru Johannes and Michel, I'll answer/comment the questions a bit later Cheers, Andrey |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
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Quast's claim at 14:15 is matched well with the air combat of 4.IAP. Quote:
Rall LaGG-3 at 14:15 (according to Wood: Obleser at 16:10) Obleser at 14:18 (according to Wood: Obleser again at 16:11) Complete confusion! What's in the original documents? Kind regards, Andrey |
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Re: Hptm. Helmut Bennemann (Stab I./JG52) 27.Apr.43
Hi Michel,
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Kind regards, Andrey |
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