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Old 10th June 2018, 13:21
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French GC II/4 on 27/09/1939

Hello all

Source:"les curtis H-75,p.189"
"Tody,two Bf.109D (JGr.153!!!) FOUND ON THE GROUND will be homologated to three pilots(Adj.Tesseraud,Adj.Plubeau,Sgt.de la Chapelle)...FOUND ON THE GROUND????.

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Uffz.Kopke's aircraft (JGr176) went down in flames to crash near "Unterharmersbach"(GERMANY),Lt.Rinow baled out near Triberg (GERMANY).

Source:J.Prien JDV TEIL 2
Oblt.Rinow and Uffz.Kopke "ZUSAMMENSTOSS IN DER LUFT" BUT on 29/09/1939 and not the 27/09/1939

Source:French magazine "avions HS n°20
Three Bf.109 shot down by GC II/4 near "Wolferschein";300km (by car) of Triberg.

Several questions arise:
What is the correct date of the "incidents" and the right reason involving the JGr.176?

What is the identity of the victims (victims?) of the French?...found on the ground?

Unless I'm mistaken,the French only confirmed the opponents who fell in their lines?

Thanks in advance
Michel
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Old 10th June 2018, 13:28
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Re: French GC II/4 on 27/09/1939

Michel,
From p.99 of the Battle of France Then and Now, the collision Rhinow-Koepke is listed as having taken place on September 29.

BUT

There is also the notation that the two losses may have occurred on September 27 in combat with GC II/4 but also that this is not confirmed by German records
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Old 13th June 2018, 20:16
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Re: French GC II/4 on 27/09/1939

French forces occupied parts of western Germany during September 1939. Perhaps the wrecked aircraft were found by the occupying forces?
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