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Old 7th December 2019, 12:29
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Accident 13.09.1944

Does anybody know more about this accident from 13.09.1944
Look ath the red frame below.




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Old 7th December 2019, 16:52
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

search the MACR number on the US nation archives website catelog and you should get a copy
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Old 7th December 2019, 17:03
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

Here's the link to the MACR:

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/91052913
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Old 8th December 2019, 02:10
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=52145

Is there a connection to this old thread ?
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Old 8th December 2019, 03:40
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

From joebaugher.com


41096 (62nd BS, 460th BG, 15th AF, based in Spinazzola Airfield, Foggia, Italy) Shot Down Sep 10, 1944 By Anti-Aircraft Fire and Crashed Near Bjelovar, Yugoslavia While Returning From a Mission on The Saurerwerke Diesel Engine Works at Vienna, Austria. All (10) Crew Bailed Out and (2) Crew Were Captured and Became POWs. Released in 1945. (8) Crew Evaded Capture With Help From The Partisians. MACR 8375
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Old 8th December 2019, 03:46
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

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Is there a connection to this old thread ?

Hello Alex,


I do not think so.


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Old 8th December 2019, 10:04
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

Hi
Friends I am looking for info not about shoting down in october 1944 but about accident from 13.09.1944 which is mentioned in this frame.What happened in this data?
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Old 8th December 2019, 15:12
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

Fenix78,

I think you may be possibly misreading something. William Schoppman in plane 44-41096, MACR 8375 was shot down on 10 September, 1944. The plane was "lost" on that date. However, the dates you have hi-lighted in red are written in month-day-year format, e.g., (9/10/1944) is September 10 not October 9.

I think on 13 September 1944 the group may have written off the plane. There was no "accident" on 13 September as the plane was already lost on 10 September. 13 September was just the date that shows the plane removed from the records of the group. It is a "book-keeping" date.
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Old 8th December 2019, 16:22
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

Hi

Of course my mistake you have right. Should be date 10 september.

It interested me because in column accident date is writing date after shoting down this plane. It was strange for me and it is the reason of my post.
Second option is that somebody mixed up the date. Accident was 10.09 but finnaly plane was shuting down 13.09.1944. I must check exactly MACR because now I dont have possibility to do it.
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Old 8th December 2019, 18:44
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Re: Accident 13.09.1944

OK,
September 10th, 1944.
Accidents
460BG/761BS - 42-78467 - Kristen, W.J.
461BG/765BS - 44-41113 - Baker, R.K.

Details from Craig Fuller's site

https://www.aviationarchaeology.com/

From The Joe Baugher Site -
42-78467
Only has crashed 11 Sept, 1944.
And
44-41113
A/c name " Irish Angel/She Wolf" SBD Sept 10, 1944. ( SBD = Surveyed Battle Damaged ).

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