Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 20th October 2011, 21:20
Nokose's Avatar
Nokose Nokose is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Florida (USA)
Posts: 1,777
Nokose will become famous soon enough
Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Mirek,
In www.allaces.ru it has Ml.Lt Vladimir Fedorovich Konin listed as flying an I-153 with the 12 KOAE KBF but on checking the OBD it has him listed as pilot with the 3 AE, 71 IAP KBF and KIA in an air battle on the 27Aug41 in the Kopore region. Also listed as KIA in the Tallin region Kapitan Vladimir Fedorovich Poltorak of the 5 AE, 71 IAP KBF on an I-16. I didn't notice any deaths for the 12 KOAE for that day so they might have just been part of the escort and no losses. It looks like no "overclaiming" that day but under claiming.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 21st October 2011, 14:13
Mirek Wawrzynski Mirek Wawrzynski is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 825
Mirek Wawrzynski is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: List of claims for JG 54 in August 1941?

Hi Nokose, thanks for the tip, :-)

Quote:
7.08.1941 г. звено ДБ-3 из 1 мтап, взлетевшее с аэродрома Когул, атаковало немецкий конвой, шедший в Ригу. Бомбардировщиков прикрывали два звена И-153 из 12 коаэ (61 иабр, КБФ). ДБ-3 были перехвачены группой Bf-109, которым в районе Виндавы удалось сбить ДБ-3 капитана Е.Есина и И-153 мл. лейтенанта В.Ф.Конина из 71 иап (10 сабр, КБФ).
I think, that in this information is possible misidentyfication of type the
lost plane. Konin is lost in this mission as a pilot of 71. IAP VVS KBF. And he died shot down by German pilot but not in I-153 but in MIG-3. There were two air mission. 1st to cover attack of Soviet torpedo boats against these two "ships/tugs" done by 1 Yak-1 and 3 I-153 (no losses) caaled in this Russian diary as "zvieno". 2-ed, escort of 3 or 2 DB-3T by 2 MiG-3 of 71. IAP VVS KBF (second zvieno).

During this second mission was lost one each Soviet plane. This what make more probably this version is German claims as "I-18" and not Curtiss is too huge difference between MiG-3 and I-153. From the distance 200-300 m it is easy to see differences.

Regards,
mirekw
__________________
Mirek Wawrzyński
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Klaus Scheer and Helmut Dahms of NJG 100 markr Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 10 20th February 2021 14:06
B-17 loss to night fighter BartC17 Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 14th January 2011 13:23
Percentage of Verifiable Victories of Various Aces –Updates & Recommendations Rob Romero Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 25 9th March 2010 02:39
Percentage of Verfiable Victories of Various Aces -INSTRUCTIONS. Rob Romero Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 3rd October 2006 16:42
Percentage of Verifiable Victories of Various Aces –Updates & Recommendations Rob Romero Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 0 30th September 2006 09:05


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:42.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net