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BL-154 and BL-157
Hello!
Can anyone provide details of the loss of the Finnish plane Bristol «Blenheim» Mk.I BL-154 and BL-157 on the 15.04.1942? Thank you in advance! Oleg |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
15.04.1942, 2./LeLv 42, BL-154, Varbenitsa
Pilot Kers Laurila, Valto, KIA Observer Vänr Koivula, Martti, KIA Gunner Kers Fennander, Uuno, KIA Explosion of own bomb in the aircraft at 05.00. 15.04.1942, 1./LeLv 42, BL-157, Varbenitsa Pilot Vänr Peltola, Erkki, KIA Observer Vänr Hamari, Jouko, KIA Gunner Ylik Rekola, Yrjö, KIA Explosion of own bomb in the aircraft at 05.00. 15.04.1942, 1./LeLv 42, BL-159, Varbenitsa Pilot Ltm Peltola, Arvo, KIA Observer Vänr Tuulio, Pentti, KIA Gunner Kers Riutta, Salomon, KIA Explosion of own bomb in the aircraft at 05.00. Matti |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Matti
Conflicting information exists for the loss of these three aircraft. Either shot down by Soviet AA-fire or destroyed by their own bombs. Was the latter based on facts or simply a theory? I have seen a report that it was the bombs security pins that had become loose during taxiing and take off. Since presumably the other 16 aircraft in the attack force all dropped their bombs safely, how was this established? B Rgds Stig |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Stig
You are right that there are two conflicting theories of the cause of these losses. In the beginning it was thought that securing pins had become loose and the bombs exploded when hitting the spring loaded doors. This was later found unlikely, because the direction and force of impact could not explode the bombs. Therefore it was suspected that the reason was simply intense AA-fire. For safety reasons in the future 250 kg bombs were used only with the tail detonator and use of 25 kg bombs was prohibited, Therefore I am using the original explanation of the loss. Matti |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Thanks Matti
It would be interesting to know if the Finns standard tactics were to fly in a rough formation during night attacks or if they flew far more spread out? If the time stated is accurate, the three aircraft exploded more or less simultaneously and thus the time must have been given by the returning crews. On the other hand loosing some 15% of an attacking force to night time AA-fire is pretty spectacular, and I understand if a different theory was thought out. Since I have not made any general assessment of for instance Luftwaffe losses at night I doubt they ever came close to loosing that many aircraft to Soviet AA-fire over a specific target. Did Ilmavoimat ever loose that many aircraft to Soviet AA-fire either before or after this event? I don't think so.... B Rgds Stig |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Many thanks, Matti and Stig!
Regards, Oleg |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Stig
I don't know very much of the bomber tactics, but those three Blenheims flew in loose formation and were exploded simultaneously and therefore it is difficult to believe that AA could hit three aircraft at the same time. There is another almost similar event on 11.06.1944 when three Dornier 17 Z (DN-54, DN-56 and DN-61) were shot down at 14.00 by Soviet AA. Regards, Matti |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Thanks again Matti
Strange isn't it. Maybe it was problems with the bombs after all? A really bad night for Ilmavoimat B Rgds Stig |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Hello Matti,
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Best regards, Andrey |
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Re: BL-154 and BL-157
Hi Andrey
Also I have not found it in the map. In the documents is it written "Varbenitsa" or "Varbinitsa". The bombing target was a logistic center located at that place. Regards, Matti |
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