Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Allied and Soviet Air Forces

Allied and Soviet Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the Air Forces of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 9th January 2024, 06:36
Russell Russell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 222
Russell is on a distinguished road
451st BG B-24 details of loss

Hello to all,

The mission report for the 451st BG notes that on the raid on Steyr on 2 April 1944, they lost a bomber to fighters (41-29245) and another damaged by Flak, crash landed at a friendly air base and was written off. Does anyone know the serial of this write off and who the crew were? I have tried the usual sources without avail.

Regards

Russell
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 13th January 2024, 19:50
QuaxDerBruchpilot QuaxDerBruchpilot is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Upper Austria, Molln
Posts: 43
QuaxDerBruchpilot is on a distinguished road
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Hi Rusell,
I am close to the topic of the bomber war over Upper Austria as I live near Steyr (Molln).
I can probably contribute something to your question. I am familiar with many of the shootings. I'll have a look.
Greetings Markus
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 13th January 2024, 19:55
QuaxDerBruchpilot QuaxDerBruchpilot is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Upper Austria, Molln
Posts: 43
QuaxDerBruchpilot is on a distinguished road
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Crash Place should be Tirana:
https://daacda.acdh.oeaw.ac.at/entit...ers/detail/200

Oh, very far away from me
Regards Markus
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14th January 2024, 10:45
Trendle's Avatar
Trendle Trendle is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Germany
Posts: 115
Trendle will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Good Morning Russel,

The B-24 you search for crashed near Pecini, 30 Km east of Durres, north of Tirana - Albania. Lieutenant Frank A. Howard / 3 KIA / 7 POW

All the best

Fred
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 14th January 2024, 13:26
Leendert Leendert is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,791
Leendert will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

I reckon Russell is not after known 41-29245, but after another B-24 that according the 451st BG report made a crash landing at an allied air base upon return from the Steyr mission....Regards, Leendert
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 14th January 2024, 17:30
Trendle's Avatar
Trendle Trendle is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Germany
Posts: 115
Trendle will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Leendert

You are of course right Leendert. Only women can multi-task. My answer was actually addressed to Markus. And since I'm currently reading Allen C. Guelzo's very interesting work about the American Civil War at Gettysburg, I'm not entirely focused on the matter. Only women can do both.

I`m Sorry….. Fred
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 14th January 2024, 17:49
Leendert Leendert is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,791
Leendert will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

No worries. Cheers, Leendert
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 14th January 2024, 18:44
Leendert Leendert is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 2,791
Leendert will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Russell,

Nearest I have come (so far) are in other Bomb Groups: B-24 "42-7762" of 449 BG/718 BS was wrecked upon landing at Foggia with all crew safe. Pilot Lt. David Rasbach.
And B-24 "42-78084" of 450 BG/721 BS made it to Vis Island and had to be salvaged. Here crew safe as well.
Both had participated in the Steyr mission on 2 April 1944

Regards, Leendert
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 14th January 2024, 20:55
Rottler Rottler is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Ludwigshafen, Germany
Posts: 1,246
Rottler will become famous soon enough
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trendle View Post
Good Morning Russel,

The B-24 you search for crashed near Pecini, 30 Km east of Durres, north of Tirana - Albania. Lieutenant Frank A. Howard / 3 KIA / 7 POW

All the best

Fred
Hello Fred,

according to the German reports of downed Allied aircraft (Abschuss-Nr./casualty no. ME 979) all ten crew members bailed out. S/Sgt Hewitt and S/Sgt Kusarik bailed out and were captured at Ligist/Steiermark and the rest of the crew at Pecini near Tirana.

Regards
Leo
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15th January 2024, 04:42
Russell Russell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 222
Russell is on a distinguished road
Re: 451st BG B-24 details of loss

Thanks to all who have replied. Leendert nailed it, it's an unknown crew in an unknown B-24. I am aware of the Vis crash landing and the Rasbach crew. One file set I have I have yet to work through was copied by Frank Olynyk some years ago and that was the Air Sea Rescue reports from crews that were picked up. There are details in those that will add to knowledge on losses and aircraft serials, but not this one!

Thanks again

Russell
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Friendly fire WWII Brian Allied and Soviet Air Forces 803 8th July 2023 16:47
93rd BG Loss Alex Smart Allied and Soviet Air Forces 4 15th December 2017 01:16
Details on Flak claim & time of loss of 515 Squadron Mosquito NS895 on Deelen airfield 26-27.4.44? Theo Boiten Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 2 11th July 2017 20:30
Details on loss of 42-104179 P-38J 26.7.44 researcher111 Allied and Soviet Air Forces 6 25th March 2017 10:58
Loss details required 29.08.1942 Melvin Brownless Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 18th January 2015 17:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:18.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net