Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation

Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation Please use this forum to discuss Military and Naval Aviation before the Second World War.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 29th June 2018, 12:24
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brandenburg, Germany
Posts: 884
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Yes, it makes sense that those who still had to fly an old biplane received the newest Bf109 subtype.

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 29th June 2018, 20:09
sidney sidney is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 703
sidney is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Gentlemen,

If I may, there is a number of good books on the Legion Condor available on Amazon.com (co.uk or elsewhere). You should be able to find most, if not all, answers to your queries there. In any case, it is a good way to start your research.

Regards,
Sinisa

Last edited by sidney; 1st July 2018 at 17:18.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 1st July 2018, 19:59
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brandenburg, Germany
Posts: 884
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Good evening,

in that book
https://www.amazon.de/Aces-Legion-Co...on+condor+aces
Robert Forsyth says that 6-79 was photographed with 15 kill bars.
That implies that all Spain kills of Mölders were scored in a Bf109D.

Kind regards,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 5th July 2018, 07:30
PMoz99 PMoz99 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 516
PMoz99 is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Yes, so it does. I missed that.
So long as Forsythe didn't assume it was 6o79, there is your answer.
Peter
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 5th July 2018, 09:21
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brandenburg, Germany
Posts: 884
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Good morning Peter,

I don't understand your last sentence.

Best greetings from Brandenburg,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 5th July 2018, 10:46
PMoz99 PMoz99 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 516
PMoz99 is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Quote:
Originally Posted by knusel View Post
Good morning Peter,

I don't understand your last sentence.

Best greetings from Brandenburg,

Michael
If the only photo available is of the tail, Forsythe may have simply assumed it is 6o79. Have we found a photo showing the whole a/c with 15 bars on the tail? Laureau's book's profile shows it with no kill markings - is that because he acknowledges it is uncertain?
Similarly, there is considerable dispute as to the colours the aircraft were painted. Forsythe says 6o79 was painted with RLM62 uppers, other say RLM63. There are similar issues with many other SCW aircraft. I don't yet know who or what is right. One source quotes a Lynn Richter, who is held up to be a Bf109 expert. Richter apparently says they would have been RLM63.
As for the suggestion of more books, I have 2 and can access information from a third, and none answer the questions - how many do we buy?? I also lament that they all seem to present conflicting information in some areas, so what's the point? Is it simply that there is not enough solid information available to answer the questions?
Peter
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 6th July 2018, 09:28
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brandenburg, Germany
Posts: 884
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Good morning Peter,

yes, sometimes buying another book in hope for clarification just increases the confusion :-( Forum discussions are often a better means than buying more books than one can read in limited leisure time.

I suggest pronouncing Mölders the top Bf109D ace until proof of the opposite.
Could you agree that Boddem and Harder are the joint top Bf109B aces ?

Sorry that I cannot answer your colour question,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 10th July 2018, 12:36
Snautzer's Avatar
Snautzer Snautzer is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,360
Snautzer is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Bf109 https://www.ebay.de/itm/selt-Archiv-....c100005.m1851
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 10th July 2018, 14:22
PMoz99 PMoz99 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 516
PMoz99 is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

Thanks Snautzer!
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 15th July 2018, 20:12
knusel's Avatar
knusel knusel is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Brandenburg, Germany
Posts: 884
knusel is on a distinguished road
Re: Bf109A,B,C,D in Legion Condor

I cannot discern any individual planes on these photos.
Did Legion pilots indicate their own plane type in their combat reports like WW2 pilots did ?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
J/88 Legion Condor Daniele Gatti Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation 0 21st February 2017 09:54
Question regarding Legion Condor book Todd Starkey Books and Magazines 1 20th January 2017 13:22
For Sale LEGION CONDOR RARITIES FRANCISCO PINTO On Offer 1 22nd September 2015 10:24
Five SB downed? - Legion Condor claims on 12.12.1936 GuerraCivil Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation 3 13th December 2014 17:30
K/88 of Legion Condor GuerraCivil Pre-WW2 Military and Naval Aviation 4 27th September 2014 01:02


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:22.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2007, 12oclockhigh.net