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Old 1st April 2017, 10:39
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Re: Saburo Sakai

Good morning Michel,

thanks so much !
I conclude the breakdown of Saburo Sakai's 87 claims:
Chinese-Japanese War: 2 confirmed+2 unconfirmed (?)
WW2:
-56,25 [54+19] destroyed
-1 probable
-2+1sh damaged
-6 damaged on the ground

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Old 5th April 2017, 18:26
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Now a more mundane question: Is a copy of Sakai's logbook in existence, and has anyone in the Western world seen or obtained it? That would be significant!

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Old 6th April 2017, 22:42
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Now a more mundane question: Is a copy of Sakai's logbook in existence, and has anyone in the Western world seen or obtained it? That would be significant!

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Saburo Sakai may have used it for his memoir called SAMURAI!
Otherwise, Henry Sakaida who has written a book about Sakai called WINGED SAMURAI might be able to ask you question.
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Great debate. Does the japanese squadron record proceed further into 1942? later than August 2, 1942?
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Hello Felix,

I don't think so. Japanese claim records get very scarce in the latter half of the war. (The same is true for Japanese successes while they suffer more and more crippling defeats in the fights against the Americans.)

But I would be glad to be proven wrong.

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Hi "guys"

168 claims are mentioned,often "fanciful" (to remain politically correct),in the Tainan Kokutai Kodochosho between 2/8/42 and 1/11/42 which gives another insight into the record of some "aces" (Ota,Nishizawa,Sasai,Okumura....)

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Old 14th April 2017, 13:00
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Hello Michel,

this website indicates that Nishizawa scored 34+158 shared kills:
http://www.aces.safarikovi.org/victories/japan-ww2.html
Will it ever be possible to find out the decimals od the shared kills ?

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Old 14th April 2017, 17:59
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Re: Saburo Sakai

Nishizawa Hiroyoshi

4° Kokutai

14/3/42=6 P-40 collective (by four pilots)
14/3/42=2 P-40 prob.collective(by four pilots)
28/3/42=3 spits collective(by five pilots)

Extracts from Tainan Kokutai Kodochosho

12/5/42=2 P-39 collective(by five pilots)
12/5/42=1 P-39 prob.collective(by five pilots)
13/5/42=2 P-39 collective(by five pilots)
13/5/42=1 B-26 prob.collective(by six pilots)
17/5/42=5 P-39 collective(by six pilots)
17/5/42=1 P-39 prob.collective(by six pilots)
09/6/42=4 B-26 collective(by 23 pilots)
25/6/42=1 P-39 collective(by three pilots)
25/7/42=1 B-17 collective(by nine pilots)
5/10/42=1 B-25 collective(by seven pilots)
8/10/42=2 dauntless collective(by 8 pilots)
13/10/42=1 wildcat collective(by two pilots)
13/10/42=1 wildcat prob.collective(by two pilots)
17/10/42=1 dauntless collective(by two pilots)

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Re: Saburo Sakai

Good evening,

cool.
Is it possible to find a Nishizawa victory list that is more complete than these ?
https://www.lesasdelaluftwaffe.fr/au...shi-nishizawa/
http://www.cieldegloire.com/010_nishizawa_h.php

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Old 16th April 2017, 15:52
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Hi Michael

Attached list of "victories" of Nishizawa

4° KOKUTAI
14/3/42=6 P-40 coll.
24.3/42=1 Spit
28/3/42=3 Spit coll.

TAINAN KOKUTAI
1/5/42=1 P-39
2/5/42=2 P-40
3/5/42=1 P-40
7/5/42=1 P-39+1 P-40
12/5/42=2 P-39 coll.
13/5/42=2 P-39 coll.
17/5/42=5 P-39 coll.
20/5/42=1 P-39
27/5/42=1 P-39
1/6/42=1 P-39
9/6/42=4 B-26 coll.
16/6/42=2 P-39
25/6/42=1 P-39
4/7/42= 1 P-39
11/7/42=1 P-39
25/7/42=1 P-39
25/7/42=1 B-17 coll.
7/8/42=6 F4F
5/10/42=1 B-25 coll.
8/10/42=1 SBD coll.
11/10/42=1 F4F
13/10/42=1 F4F coll.
17/10/42=1 F4F
17/10/42=1 SBD coll.
20/10/42=1 F4F

KOKUTAI 251:in brackets,collectively assigned to the group(including Nishizawa)
14/5/43=1 P-38+1 P-40
7/6/43=1 P-39+1 F4U
12/6/43=1 F4U+1 F4F
16/6/43=1 P-39
7/7/43=(1 P-39+2 P-40+3 F4U)
9/7/43=2 P-39
11/7/73=(1 F4U+1 F4F+1 P-38+2 P-39)
13/7/43=(1 F4U+5 F4F)
15/7/43=(8 F4U+4 F4F+2 P-39+1 P-40)
16/7/43=4 F4U
25/7/43=(2 F4U+6F4F+5 P-39)
31/7/43=1 P-39+2 P-40
1/8/43=(3 F4F+5 P-40)
4/8/43=(8 F4U+7 F4F)
7/8/43=1 F4F+1 P-39
15/8/43=2 F4U
18/8/43=2 F4U
21/8/43=(7 F4U)

KOKUTAI 253
24/9/43=(11 P-38)
1/10/43=(4F4U+2 P-39+3 P-40)
12/10/43=(1 P-38+1 B-24+3 B-25)
15/10/43=(3 P-38)
17/10/43=(4 P-38)
18/10/43=2 B-26
24/10/43=(12 P-38+3 B-25)

KOKUTAI 201
25/10/44=2 F6F coll.


After octob.42,the majority of his claims are "fanciful" and unverified on the US side

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