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Old 14th May 2020, 21:52
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Ah yes now I see it

It's the aircraft which has the size of a Gnat's left nostril, right?

Joking aside Clint, when clicking on the link all I got was a connection to the old one. I had to copy and paste to reach the Sopwith. Really odd.

Anyway aircraft lost 5 April 1917. Bloody April had just getting started....

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Old 14th May 2020, 21:53
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Stig,


I see what you mean. I'll try again! Its now fixed. Probably. It actually took more than one attempt. Not sure what I was doing there.Weird.


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Old 15th May 2020, 17:33
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Hello,


Currently on ebay a photo of Sopwith Pup A626 of 8 Squadron RNAS at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-WK-I-Fl...MAAOSwXbVevoE3


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Old 17th May 2020, 11:11
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a photo of a Sopwith 1½ Strutter with the serial A100? at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/X4376-Foto-W...sAAOSwRu5ewPrf


Does anyone recognise the machine and accordingly can provide the full serial number?


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Old 17th May 2020, 17:08
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Clint

This is a tricky one. Reason is that two squadrons using basically the same markings were in action at the same time, No 43 and No 70 Sq.

The loss must have been before 15 June 1917 (date on the flip side)

On June 3rd 1917 No 70 Sq lost A1012 marked A-3 when on a photo-recce mission near Menin. From the report the aircraft was seen to turn over. The crew was reported as KIA.

Was it possible to photograph the aircraft and make a postcard and send that one off in 12 days? If yes, I would say we have a match.

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Old 17th May 2020, 17:28
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Stig,


Compelling reasoning. Thanks. Surprising that the aircraft is in such relatively good shape with the crew being KIA.



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Old 17th May 2020, 17:58
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Clint

Cannot agree more.
The evidence is after all a bit circumstantial.

I have one accident with No 43 Sq which also could fit
A1098 which went missing 20 April 1917 (no code listed)
It was hit by AA fire (or at least ground-fire) over Beaucamps and crashed soon after. Both crew WIA and POW.

No idea how many more crashes I can locate going further and further back in time. I have to leave it here, since I don't have any more time for this particular aircraft.

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Old 17th May 2020, 18:08
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Hi Stig,


I was just mentioning the state of preservation of the aircraft in passing. I'm more than happy to accept A1012 as the machine in the photo given the evidence you present. I hope you didn't take it as doubt on my part, far from it.


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Old 17th May 2020, 20:13
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Re: Photo Sopwith

No, no Clint, far from that

Everyone on TOCH should be able to face criticism.
After all, we only have a photo with half a s/n to go on plus an end date in this case, so of course you should express opinions!

Sometimes it is just fascinating to see how far one can get with only that at your disposal.

After all, I would say, most of us have a deep interest in what we are doing and it is only by sharing thoughts, new evidence etc that we can actually move forward. I will always appreciate yours (and everyone elses) thoughts.

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Old 20th May 2020, 19:39
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Re: Photo Sopwith

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a post combat photo of Sopwith 1F.1 Camel B5658 of 10 Naval Squadron at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/53054559-Fot...kAAOSwwqxexUOy


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