Location of Re 2002 "DV+JC" ?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by RT

In the HW5 files, read german messagesby brit. intelligence, there is a lot of ref. concerning the transfert of italian planes to Germany., but few concerning the Re !

Rémi

From 1944 …

CX/MSS/T121/12

VL 8286

SOUTH EUROPE

Signed AMC 222 ((Treviso) to AMC Neuburg/Donau

Stamped 1130/10/3:

17 Re 2002, Works Nos. —
1250, 1236, 1255, 1233, 1252, 1181,
1235, 1221, 1143, 1232, 1229, 1237,
1179, 1166, 1134, 1126, 1118, left 1055 to 1109

CX/MSS/T257/2/121

Memorandum of 26/7, source’s copy neither addressed nor signed+

No crews are to be sent off to fetch Re 2002, as crews are already in Italy.

NOTE:

1) Source believes that this was from Fliegerzieldiv. to Geschwader Bongart.
2) For mention of 35 Re 2002 as fighter bombers by Geschwader Bongart on 10/7, see T243/10 and notes.

0517/27/7/44Z

CX/MSS/T263/7

XL 4296

From 252 (Milan-Turin-Genoa area) on 31/7 to AMC 264 F ((Lyons)):
6 Re 2002, W.Nr. 5217, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25 left from 1105 to 1108 hours.

NOTE:

Reference by Geschwader Bongart to use of Re 2002 as fighter bombers in T243/10 and collection of these a/c from Italy in T257/121.

[Matti Salonen]

Enclosed some info on Re 2002 etc. No guarantee of its reliability.

Matti

[tanzebau]

Thank you very much Nick, Matti and Remi for the very interesting and useful information.


In the meanwhile I managed to access the National Archives and found two of the messages mentioned by Nick, but I have two doubts:
- how can I decrypt the date ? The day should be the last 2 digits before "Z" but what about the attached 011238Z/8/44 --> ??/8/44.

- in both messages (one is attached) no Werk-Nr. is actually mentioned. @Nick are they mentioned in other messages ?

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by tanzebau

- how can I decrypt the date ? The day should be the last 2 digits before "Z" but what about the attached 011238Z/8/44 --> ??/8/44.

- in both messages (one is attached) no Werk-Nr. is actually mentioned. @Nick are they mentioned in other messages ?

The date and time: 01 = 1st day; 1238 = 12.38 hours; Z = Greenwich Mean Time; /8/44 = August 1944.

This is the time that the deciphered message was issued by the British, not the time the Germans sent the original.

What you have got from the National Archives comes from the DEFE 3/ series of files (“Main series of reports to Allied Commands”) which are summaries of the fuller information found in files in the HW 5/ series, which I quoted from. DEFE 3/ files have been digitised, HW 5/ files have not.

These points and many more are covered in an article on my website, “Using ULTRA for Luftwaffe Research”: http://www.ghostbombers.com/Ultra/ultra_01.html

[tanzebau]

I'd like to ask your help to identify the following LW pilots. They picked up or tested the RE2002 in Italy in late 1943 or in 1944.


Fw/Ofw:
- Lorenz
- Froeh
- Kuchler
- Mazurech
- Zumkeller
- Nolfe
- Hiltl or Hilt
- Frankrone
- Graf
- Maschtkowski
- Hopfengaertner
- Bohrmann
- Paolus
- Gazllei
- Mater
- Rang



Offz:
- Lt. Schuster
- Lt. Alt


Thank you in advance