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Old 7th October 2010, 12:09
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Seagull mistaken for Pete

Hi guys

Has anyone information concerning the possible shoot down of an SOC Seagull floatplane by a USMC F4F Wildcat from Henderson airfield on 5 January 1943? It is believed that the Wildcat pilot mistook the Seagull for a Japanese Pete floatplane.

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Old 11th October 2010, 21:21
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Brian,
All USMC claims on Jan 5, 1943 are for Vals. See the PM I sent you earlier.

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Old 12th October 2010, 20:21
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

The same day USAAF pilots of 347th FG claimed three Petes.
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Old 12th October 2010, 21:10
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Ah! Thanks Laurent

Do we know the vicinity of those claims? Where was the 347th based? Who were the claimants?

The plot thickens!

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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Brian,
The 347th FG was flying P-38s, not Wildcats. The claims were at Tonolei Harbor, which is on Bougainville, east of Buin and Kahili. I kind of doubt that SOCs would be operating anywhere near there.

The claimants were 1st Lt Emmett L Norris, 68th FS, 1 FBP prob; 1st Lt Besby F Holmes, 339th FS, 1 FBP dest plus 2 FBP prob; Capt John W Mitchell, 339th FS, 1 Float Zero dest; Capt Robert B Hubbell, 68th FS, 1 FBP dest.

You still need to check the PM I sent you last night,

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Old 13th October 2010, 00:44
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Thanks Frank

The content of your PM noted. Just following up leads.

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Old 14th October 2010, 05:39
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

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Brian,
The 347th FG was flying P-38s, not Wildcats. The claims were at Tonolei Harbor, which is on Bougainville, east of Buin and Kahili. I kind of doubt that SOCs would be operating anywhere near there.

The claimants were 1st Lt Emmett L Norris, 68th FS, 1 FBP prob; 1st Lt Besby F Holmes, 339th FS, 1 FBP dest plus 2 FBP prob; Capt John W Mitchell, 339th FS, 1 Float Zero dest; Capt Robert B Hubbell, 68th FS, 1 FBP dest.
Just to round out that combat, the Japanese reported a combat with 5 B-17's escorted by 7 P-38. They were intercepted by 6 (land plane) Zeroes of the 202nd Air Group, 2 Type 2 Float Fighters (aka 'float Zero') of 802nd AG and an uncertain number of Type 0 Observation Seaplanes (later called 'Pete') perhaps from ships, since 3 'Petes' of the 958th Air Group apparently sighted the US formation but reported no results. The 202nd claimed 1 P-38 and 2 probables for no loss or damage; the 802nd claimed 2 P-38's, one shared with the 'Petes', and 1 probable for the loss of 1 Type 2 Float Fighter, PO1C Shinkichi Ohshima bailed out; 2 Type 0 Obs. Seaplanes crashlanded. (sources: original records of the named units found at JACAR site; Japanese web source about the 'Petes').
http://www2.cty-net.ne.jp/~purejwp/zakki/suisen.htm

2 P-38's were actually lost, 1Lts Ronald Hilken and Walter Dinn MIA/KIA (source: "13th Fighter Command in WW II" by William Wolf).

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Old 14th October 2010, 18:17
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Many thanks Frank and Joe

I am now better informed!

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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

There was an SOC amicide incident in the Guadalcanal/Tulagi area but on 7 Apr 43 not 5 Jan. A USMC 2nd Lt flew an SOC that was shot down by cruisers of Task Force 18. The SOC probably approached the ships in a non-standard manner due to evading numersous Zeros in the vicinity. This was the first of Yamamoto's A-Go (I Operation) attacks. Several ships were sunk, others damaged, and TF 18 aborted its planned nocturnal bombardment mission of the central Solomons.

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Old 15th October 2010, 11:25
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Re: Seagull mistaken for Pete

Thanks Richard

I have a note that Kingfisher 01492 was shot down, but on 15 April? It was flown apparently by Ensign McGeorge. I wonder if this was one and the same? Perhaps my date is incorrect? Hopefully someone will know.

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