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Old 28th January 2022, 15:56
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
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Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

Hello,

I am searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

1) I would like to identify a Soviet aircraft shot down on the morning of 11 November 1942 over Lake Ladoga. Aboard was an important member of NKVD named Kuprin who was killed on his way to Leningrad. A claim by Ofw Kurt Olsen of 3./JG 54 for a TB-7 shot down at 0630 hrs that day is possibly linked to this loss. But I have an old file compiled from various Internet sources (now outline) that is supposed to be a loss list for TB-7/Pe-8, and I have nothing for this date. Also a check of the Aeroflot loss list gives nothing (only loss that day was in Azerbaijan IIRC).

2) that same day, I am searching an unrelated claim by a pilot of 15.(span)/JG 51: Oblt. Luis Medrano claimed a Pe-2 in PlQu 44 414 at 6.500 m at 0805 hrs. At such altitude it was probably a Pe-2 recon sortie. Has anyone such a missing machine for this date ?

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Old 28th January 2022, 22:49
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Re: Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

Hello Laurent,
Yes those are the details given in Tony Woods file for 1942.
Olsen - TB-7 - time 06.30hrs
Medrano- Pe-2 - time 08.05hrs.
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Old 29th January 2022, 08:26
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Re: Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

Thanks Alex but I already have details of German claims (that are confirmed in Prien's more recent books, with the added data that Olsen's claim was his 11th and Medrano's his first (at least his first in WWII, I have not checked if he scored any during the Spanish Civil War)). I am searching the ID and crew/passengers of the Soviet aircraft.
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Old 29th January 2022, 08:59
Carl-Fredrik Geust Carl-Fredrik Geust is offline
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Re: Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

The killed passenger was State Security Commissar 3.class Pavel Tikhonovich Kuprin (b. 1908), head of NKVD 3rd department. According to the data base of Ilya Prokofyev the aircraft was not a Pe-8, but a SB of Glavsevmorputi (Head Administration of the Northern Sea Way) on route from Moscow to Leningrad. The aircraft crashed near Moyre on the SW shore of Lake Ladoga after attacks by German fighters. I have not found any information of the aircraft crew.
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Old 29th January 2022, 09:16
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Re: Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

Thanks Carl-Fredrik. From a quick Internet search, Glavsevmorputi was an etatic but civilian structure, so I guess the potential casualties will not be listed in usual places.
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Old 29th January 2022, 11:40
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Re: Searching details for two Soviet losses on 11 November 1942

Laurent,

Are you able to give me the name (number) or the soviet Air Army ? With her number I can search in the Tsamo. the PlQu is near Briansk ?
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