Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:10
Evgeny Velichko's Avatar
Evgeny Velichko Evgeny Velichko is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stalingrad
Posts: 1,289
Evgeny Velichko is on a distinguished road
Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Hi gents!

Question:

Does anybody have info, what were the losses of II./SG4 on 11 January 1944?
According M.Holms page, total month combat losses of Gruppe were 7 Fw 190G.
Also, any details about each II./SG4 loss of that day will be much appreciated.
__________________
Went to war.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:34
Peter Kassak's Avatar
Peter Kassak Peter Kassak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 974
Peter Kassak is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

There should be (at least) one aircraft lost, on operational flight. No details available.
regards
__________________
Peter Kassak
peterkassak (aT) gmail.com
http://www.airwarsk.sk


also: Zerstorer Research Work Group,
"Geschichte des Zerstörergeschwader 76"
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:38
Evgeny Velichko's Avatar
Evgeny Velichko Evgeny Velichko is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stalingrad
Posts: 1,289
Evgeny Velichko is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Peter - I know only 1 loss on that day with ex-zerstorer pilot killed, and want to be sure - are there other losses?

Also, are there any other Fw190 non-schlacht (i.e. Jagd) units?

And the last - will be very interesting, who were those Spitfires?
__________________
Went to war.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:43
Peter Kassak's Avatar
Peter Kassak Peter Kassak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 974
Peter Kassak is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Source does not mention any other II./SG 4 losses.
for other Fw 190 units, there were more...of course. They met 8.USAAF in the air
Tony Wood lists mentions as follows:
Air Defence of the Reich [RLV]: 11. January 1944

Unit Commander Luftkampf Claims KiA WiA 100-60% 60%

I./ZG 26 n.n. 5 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 Spitfire 6 4 6 5
II./ZG 26 Hptm. Tratt 3 B-17 2 3 2 3
III./JG 54 Hptm. Schnell 9 B-17: 2 P-51 2 - 3 1
I./JG 302 Hptm. Lewens 1 B-17 - 3 3 2
Jasta Erla Hptm. Laube - 1 - 1 1
I-III./NJG 5 Oberst Radusch 2 B-17: 3 B-17 HSS - 3 3 1
Sd.Kdo.OKL n.n. 3 B-17 - - - -

Stab/JG 1 Oberst Oesau - - - - -
I./JG 1 Hptm. Schnoor 4 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS - - 6 3
II./JG 1 Hptm. Hoeckner 10 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 e.V. 1 1 3 1
III./JG 1 Hptm. Eberle 1 B-17: 1 e.V. 2 P-47 1 - 1 -
Sturmst. 1 Hptm. Kornatzki 1 B-17 - - - -
10./JG 2 Hptm. Schenkbier 1 B-17: 2 Type unknown - - 1 -
I./JG 3 Maj. Quaet-Faslem 2 B-17 - - - -
I./JG 300 Hptm. Stamp 1 B-17 - - - -
I-IV./NJG 1 Obstlt. Streib 3 B-17 - - - -
I-III./NJG 2 Maj. Sayn-Wittgenstein - 2 - 1 1

Stab/JG 11 Obstlt. Graf - - 1 - -
I./JG 11 Hptm. Hermichen 1 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS - - - 1
II./JG 11 Hptm. Specht 10 B-17: 1 P-47 3 4 4 6
III./JG 11 Hptm. Hackl 8 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS 3 - 4 1
10./JG 11 Oblt. Grosser - - - - -
11./JG 11 Oblt. Christmann - - 1 1 1
Z-ErgGr. Hptm. Habicht KiA 1 B-17 - - - -
I-III./NJG 3 Oberst Lent 7 B-17 7 1 4 1

I./JG 26 Hptm. Borris 9 B-17 + others - - 2 -
II./JG 26 Maj. Gäth 1 B-17: 1 B-17 HSS: 1 e.V.: 1 P-47 - - 1 -
V./KG 2 Hptm. Heintz - 2 1 1 1

II./JG 27 Hptm. Schroer 1 B-17 HSS: 6 B-24: 2 B-24 HSS: 1 P-47 - - - -

I./ZG 76 n.n. 9 B-17 1 - 2 1
III./ZG 76 Hptm. Kiel 1 B-17 3 - 2 -
I-III./NJG 6 Maj. Schaffer - 2 - 1 -
Claims & Casualties Reichsluftverteidigung 11.1.44: - - 38 22 53 31
__________________
Peter Kassak
peterkassak (aT) gmail.com
http://www.airwarsk.sk


also: Zerstorer Research Work Group,
"Geschichte des Zerstörergeschwader 76"
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:46
Bruce Lander's Avatar
Bruce Lander Bruce Lander is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lees, Oldham. UK
Posts: 441
Bruce Lander is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Hi,

I have note of Fw.190G-3 (160370) Ofw.Hans Peterburs KIA - LK Spitfire Near Aquino.
Possibly that claimed by F/O Blackburn of 145 Squadron.

Cheers

Bruce Lander
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:47
Laurent Rizzotti Laurent Rizzotti is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 2,917
Laurent Rizzotti is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

II/SG 4 losses in January 1944:

_ one aircraft missing on the 3rd
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 6th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 8th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 11th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 13th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on an operational flight on the 21st (and two other damaged, one by enemy action)
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 22nd (and another damaged)
_ one shot down by enemy aircraft on the 23rd
_ one aircraft missing on the 24th
(_ one damaged without enemy action on an operational flight on the 26th)
_ one aircraft missing on the 28th
_ one destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight on the 30th

Total: 11 aircraft lost and 4 damaged
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10th November 2009, 19:48
Peter Kassak's Avatar
Peter Kassak Peter Kassak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Slovakia
Posts: 974
Peter Kassak is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Ups sorry Evgeny, I overlooked the G in the FW 190 version
__________________
Peter Kassak
peterkassak (aT) gmail.com
http://www.airwarsk.sk


also: Zerstorer Research Work Group,
"Geschichte des Zerstörergeschwader 76"
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10th November 2009, 20:05
RT RT is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: FRANCE
Posts: 3,630
RT is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Bruce seems right , Petersburs hans , hv to be the right guy he flew for Skg210 on 1941, exact location of his death is Tommaso b, NO Salle b, Salerno

Remi
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10th November 2009, 22:32
Evgeny Velichko's Avatar
Evgeny Velichko Evgeny Velichko is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stalingrad
Posts: 1,289
Evgeny Velichko is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

THX Gents!

Any details about last aircombat of Ofw. Peterburs? So, he was the only loss of his regiment in that fight. Were there any escort fighters for their Fw190G JaBo?

Also - is it known, how many Fw190 were claimed by 145 Sqdn in that fight?
__________________
Went to war.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11th November 2009, 20:24
Bruce Lander's Avatar
Bruce Lander Bruce Lander is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lees, Oldham. UK
Posts: 441
Bruce Lander is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw190G losses, 11 Jan 1944, Italy.

Hi,
2/JG4 lost 3- 109's on this date.
Bf.109G-6 (410147) Uffz.Manfred Ehrig WIA - LK Spitfire near OSA
and 2 Bf.109G-6's lost in collision Lt.Georg Matz & Uffz.Hans Claussen both killed near Sezze.(sorry no W.Nr's)
F/Sgt Newman of 145 Squadron claimed a 109 so it's possible that JG.4 were escorting II/SG4 on this occasion

Cheers

Bruce Lander
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
France, 11 & 12 July 1944 - losses of a P 51 and a P 47 BABIN Allied and Soviet Air Forces 2 6th January 2009 00:55
March 6, 1944 Luftwaffe info and photos needed MPFaley Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 12th September 2008 07:44
Losses of B-17's in RCM role paul peters Allied and Soviet Air Forces 4 15th February 2006 20:57
Halifax losses - 14/15 Jan 1944 Kutscha Allied and Soviet Air Forces 2 10th August 2005 22:33
Soviet air force losses 1941-1945 Six Nifty .50s Allied and Soviet Air Forces 12 15th May 2005 17:57


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:05.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net