Victory claim by JG5

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Hello

20/4/43 and 21/4/43
Can any of you tell me how many "abschuss" claimed by JG5 during these two days? Days during which the 152° IAP among others seem to have suffered serious losses.
By comparing my sources,I arrive at results rather confusing.

Thank's in advance

Best Regards
Michel

[GMichalski]

Hi,

only find this

II./JG 5 Hptm 21 4 43 unknown Carganico Horst raum Kandalakscha Kandalaksha area _____ _____ E N ____

info by Johannes Mathews

[Matti Salonen]

Tagesmeldung der Luftflotte 5 states:
20.4.43: ..1 Kittyhawk und 4 Hurricanes agbgeschossen..
21.4.43: ..4 Lagg-3 und 1 Hurricane abgeschossesn..

Matti

[focusfocus]

Hi

GOOD....seems a very good claims/losses:not so common.

20/4/43:five claims/four hurricanes lost(3 of 152°IAP,1 of 966°IAP)
21/4/43:five claims/five hurricane lost (5 of 152° IAP)

Do we know identities of claimants and lost ?

Michel

[Matti Salonen]

Tagesmeldung does not report any names. It gives only the basic and normally a very general info. In 1943 the whole day operation was presented on one A4 size sheet. In 1942 it was more detailed.

Matti

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

With regards to Matti's reference to the A4 size sheet. With the mikrofilms this generally start about 23rd Juily 1942, prior to this it's each Staffel/Gruppe's confirmations up until that date on A4, however JG 5's daily(whole day operations) didn't start until about a year later, like JG 1,JG11. Only one Staffel A4 sheet seems to have survived for JG5, by memory 8./JG 5 or 7./JG 5. I'll search-out what I have acquired via abschusse bords and flugbuch entries.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Johannes]

Hi Michel

6./JG 5 absolutely made no claims on these days, though they were flying as Weißenberger flew a sortie on the 20th 0948-1020 hrs and 1730-1810 hrs on the 21st. I found only Carganico making a claim this day, and as it is not on the mikrofilms cannot be 100% about that.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Matti Salonen]

The Tagesmeldung of Lfl. 5 for 20 and 21.4.43.

Matti

[focusfocus]

Hi Matti and Johannes

DAMN IT-DAMN IT!! it's incredible!to belive that it's made expressly!!
You can't imagine how much I have the "Rage".
For one of the few times,the claims correspond to almost 100% of the losses,of course....we know nothing about the claimants!it's a nightmare.

Well,stay identity of losses ?

Best Regards
Michel

[Johannes]

Hi Michel

Of the Jagd Staffel the only two I can see that could/should have made the claims were 4./JG 5 and 5./JG 5. The most fraudulent claimers of this Geschwader were 6./JG 5. Clutching at straws, but unless the Bf110's were involved then I would say 4th or 5th Staffels.

Kind Regards

Johannes