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Old 4th December 2017, 10:15
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Anton Hackl

Good morning Gentlemen,

I'm trying to find out more about Anton Hackl.
http://luftwaffe.cz/hackl.html
http://cieldegloire.fr/001_hackl_a.php
https://www.lesasdelaluftwaffe.fr/jg...v-anton-hackl/

Can anybody tell me if he flew a Bf109 or an Fw190 in February1945 with Stab/JG300 ?

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Hello Michael.
Given he was flying 190A's since Feb 1944, I would be staggered if he flew one of the few, if any, 109's of Stab JG300 in Feb 1945. But if you're looking for certainty ......... sorry.
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Re: Anton Hackl

I've read that he had both: a Fw 190 for bomber intercept and a Me 109 for fighter work.

I can't remember the source, but I'm sure of it.

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I've read that he had both: a Fw 190 for bomber intercept and a Me 109 for fighter work.

I can remember the source, but I'm sure of it.

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Some aviation artist made that comment when he painted a pic of Hackl in a BF-109 intercepting a Bomber Stream; I think he was referring to Hackl's time as head honcho of JG-11 (or was it head honcho of III/JG-11); Sorry I cannot say more on the matter, but Hackl is one of my favorite Jagdwaffe 'personalities'.
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Re: Anton Hackl

Good morning,

John Weal indicated that Hackl used both the Bf109 and the Fw190 at the same period.
https://www.amazon.de/Focke-Wulf-Ace...der_1855325950

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Re: Anton Hackl

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Good morning,

John Weal indicated that Hackl used both the Bf109 and the Fw190 at the same period.
https://www.amazon.de/Focke-Wulf-Ace...der_1855325950

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Weal was quoting Bernd Barbas. Page 69 of Planes of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces Volume 1 (the older Kookaburra technical publications edition). There are two photos of interest on the page - one shows a Bf109 captioned as having 132 victories on the rudder and the other shows a mechanic applying Hackl's 141st victory to the rudder of an Fw190. The 109 is depicted in double-spread artwork within the same volume.

The info is duplicated on Page 98 of Volume I of the the newer (Schiffer) edition of that two part series.

Do yourself a big favour - move on from Weal's 190 Aces of the Western Front book. It is a bad source as the noted historian Donald Caldwell (author of the JG 26 War Diary and JG 26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe) pointed out on the earlier incarnation of this forum.
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Re: Anton Hackl

I can confirm he flew both, BF109 to intercept fighters, Fw190 for bombers.

Bernd Barbas knew him quite well, and this is what he told Bernd. Apparently he should only have had one aircraft, but would say his own was faulty, so would have to use the other.......seemed to work for him.

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Johannes,
At this stage the only period we have information on this practice is in the first half of 1944.
Are you able to confirm that the practice continued after that - ie after he left JG11 in mid-1944?
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Johannes,
At this stage the only period we have information on this practice is in the first half of 1944.
Are you able to confirm that the practice continued after that - ie after he left JG11 in mid-1944?
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That's true, Peter...
But here's another spanner in the works and hopefully a worthy and useful one.

On 23 December, 1944, Hackl claimed (as CO II./JG 26):

1) A P-51. Caldwell tell us that this was a Mustang from 364th FG which forcelanded on allied side of the lines. Please note, I cannot find an entry in losses of the 8th & 9th Air Forces that actually backs that up.

2) A Lancaster from 405 sqn, RCAF or 582 sqn. (582 sqn lost 5 Lancasters and the 6th was from 405 sqn)

3) A Mosquito: ML998/HS-B of 109 sqn (Caldwell says 105 sqn). F/O E C Carpenter RCAF and F/O W T Lambeth DFM both KIA

In return,
5 Staffel lost Lt. Helmut Wirth WIA in Fw190D-9 W.Nr. 210614

8 Staffel lost Fw. Werner Frass in Fw190D-9 W.Nr. 210168

...So there's at least 2, very possibly 3, legitimate victories that can reasonably be said to have been achieved by Hackl in the Dora 9
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Re: Anton Hackl

If it's any help, the equipment of Stab JG 300 on 7 November 1945 was a mixture of Fw 190 A-8 and Bf 109 G-14/AS: http://www.ghostbombers.com/markings/IJK071144.html
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