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Heinz Bar's accuracy in victory claims
I've always wondered how accurate were his victory claims. It seems that he over-claimed at times and sometimes his claims were completely accurate.
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Re: Heinz Bar's accuracy in victory claims
Here's what I have, it's in major need of update and overhaul, but I hope it helps:
Heinz Baer 1st claim 25.9.39/1230 Curtiss Hawk Weissenburg/Lauterburg Probably No. 112 of GC 4/4. Capt. P Claude baled out but shot at in parachute, DOW (also claimed by Pitcairn) 2nd claim 21.5.40/1620 Hurricane (D-520?) Samer Not likely to have been a Spitfire or a Hurricane, no attributable losses found 3rd claim 23.5.40/1110 Hurricane Dunkirk or Bethune Serial unknown of 253 sqn. P/O J D Ford believed POW Unconfirmed claim 18.8.40 Spitfire 4th claim 20.8.40/1610 Spitfire I Overclaiming, only 1 attributable loss: R6818 of 65 sqn. P/O K G Hart, baled out and rescued from sea (versus 4 claims in total) 5th claim 24.8.40/1413 Hurricane I L1659 of 501 sqn? Sgt. William J Green crashlanded at Hawkinge after combat over Manston, unhurt (attributed to friendly Flak, two other claims at this time) 6th claim 29.8.40/2010 Spitfire Judging by timings alone, were these actually the two 501 sqn Hurricanes lost at 1920-1930 BT? R4223 of Sgt. William J Green baled out, rescued safely plus P3102 of F/L John Albert Axel Gibson (NZ) baled out slightly WIA (Joppien also claimed at this time, as did Rolf Pingel of I./JG 26) 7th claim 2.9.40/0915 Spitfire Unit definitely in action against 54 sqn at this time. Overclaiming, no apparent losses. Or possibly 603 sqn: X4250/XT-X of Sgt. Jack Stokoe damaged (Terry and Fleig also claimed) 8th claim 8.9.40/1320 Spitfire I 41 sqn? F/O W J M Scott, KIA off Dover in R6756 at 1215 BT (also appears to have been claimed by Leppla) Also a possibility of 46 sqn Hurricanes (misidentified): P3053 of P/O P R McGregor crashlanded safely P3201 of SubLt (A) J C Carpenter KIA (baled out but failed to survive) V6631 of F/L N W Burnett WIA, crashlanded and written off 10th claim 8.11.40/1218 Hurricane Was this N2649 of 605 sqn? P/O P Tarkowski safe, cat.3 damaged over Maidstone-Staplehurst, also possibly V6870 of 257 "Burma" sqn, Sgt. A D Page KIA over Maidstone or V7652 of 615 sqn, P/O L N Landels WIA over Cranbrook Unconfirmed claim 8.11.40/1505 Hurricane N of Dungeness @ 5000m Possibly V6805 of 501 sqn, Sgt. Harry Cyril Grove KIA. Lost near Blackheath/Sevenoaks around this time. 11th claim 16.4.41/1825 Hurricane 15km or 20km W of Le Touquet @ 3-4000m 601 "City of London" sqn. Three losses: Z2576 of W/C G A L Manton and Z2492 of G/C T N McEvoy, plus Z3090 of S/L J A O'Neill all WIA (versus 4 claims) 12th claim 21.4.41/2007 Hurricane IIA NW of Ashford @ 6500m 1 sqn. Overclaiming, only one aircraft damaged. F/L Velebnovsky safe (also claimed by Joppien) 13th claim 6.5.41/1410 Spitfire II 15-20km NW of Calais @ 200m 74 sqn, 3 losses and one damaged. P8364 or P7928 of P/O J Howard, KIA. P7537 of Sgt. A D Arnett, POW. P7428 of Sgt. A F Wilson baled out safely as the engine caught fire. P/O R G E Boulding, cat. 2 damage, safe (versus 5 claims) 14th claim 11.5.41/2140 Spitfire (actually a Hurricane II?) 8km E of Deal @ 50m Day's only known loss and definitely a victim of JG 2 was Hurricane II V7175 of 504 sqn. F/L B E G White WIA 15th and 16th claims 22.6.41/0940 and 0942 2 x SB-2s Bug River sector/Kossow-Siedlce/near Starnice @ 1200m 39 SBAP, 10 SAD. 18 losses (the whole formation, versus about 19 claims) 17th claim 22.6.41/0945 MiG ("I-18") near Starnice 41 IAP, 124 IAP, 126 IAP or 129 IAP, 9 SAD. 126 IAP lost pilots G Alaev, Panfilov and V Ushakov 18th and 19th claims 25.6.41/1130 and 1133 2 x SB-2s Near Terespol VVS Western Front. SB losses to fighters in the morning include 130 SBAP, crew of Boris Vladimirovich Bastanzhiev (likely JG 51 victim, already damaged by Flak), they also lost crews of Mikhail Pavlovich Bugorkov and Pavel Borisovich Shakhmatov Claims 20-24 30.6.41/1055, 1112, 1920, 1935 and 1940 5 x DB-3s Bobruisk/Histowka sector VVS Western Front. 96 DBAP definitely lost one near Bobruisk, navigator was Lt. Alexey Alekseevich Egorov and gunner was Aleksey Vasilyevich Shiroborkin. 98 DBAP lost St.Lt. Ivan Mikhailovich Trejbsho (AE CO) 25th claim 1.7.41/1345 I-16 "Rata" near Nowo Histowka Said to be from 161 IAP by at least one published source. Was it actually Ml.Lt. Vladimir Ivanovich Borisov of 163 IAP KIA? 27th Claim 3.7.41/1345 ("V-11") Bobruisk sector Likely 4 ShAP IL-2 Sturmoviks. Possible losses to fighters include Starshiy Politruk Dryukov and Jnr Lts Krivich and Alekseykin (versus at least 9 claims) 28th claim 5.7.41/1127 MiG-3 Bobruisk sector 401 IAP Kap. Aleksandr Mikhailovich Ivakin (Ivakhin), KIA, shotdown soon after take-off, *Ml.Lt. I.I. Istomin, KIA, shotdown in aerial combat, *Ml.Lt. S.D. Gerasimov, hit in combat, made CL, *Ml.Lt. N.E. Zorin, hit in combat, made CL, *Ml.Lt. L.E. Bashkirov, hit in combat, made CL, *Kapt. E.G. Ulyakhin, KIA, hit by the airfields air defence fire. (six losses for only 3 known claims at this point. Credit to Paulo Santos and Mikhail Timin for updating our knowledge) 29th and 30th claims 5.7.41/1344 and 1345 2 x DB-3s Bobruisk sector Day's DB-3 losses include at least one from 96 DBAP. Gunner was Serzhant Nikolay Alekseevich Borzenko KIA, navigator Ivan Semenovich Frolov also KIA as was Ml.Lt. Fedor Sergeevich Shipiko (all from the same crew?) another gunner KIA was Alexander Ivanovich Burenkov (Orsha sector) 34th, 35th and 36th claims 11.7.41/1502, 1505 and 1645. 3 x DB-3s Bobruisk sector 96 DBAP, 42 DBAD lost AE CO St.Lt. Demiyan Stepanovich Borodavka KIA and suffered gunners Nikita Maksimovich Balabanov WIA by fighters and Viktor Petrovich Sakharov KIA this date 207 DBAP lost crews of: Lt. Ivan Fedorovich Zverev, St.Lt. Vasily Vasilievich Zybnev, Ml.Lt. Boris Sergeevich Zhekov, Ml.Lt. Ivan N. Pohodeev, Ml.Lt. Alexander Vasilyevich Suhovskij 39th, 40th and 41st claims 23.7.41/1257, 1302 and 1310 3 x Pe-2s Raids on Shatalowo airfield/Dankowow 411 BAP/OSNAZ. Overclaiming, only 3 losses in this engagement (versus 8 claims all up) 48th claim 3.8.41/1355 Pe-2? (Claimed as an “R-3”) Could this have been from 136 BAP? Ml.Lt. Stepan Ivanovich Astapov KIA this date. A definite loss to fighters was 33 BAP, Alexey Maksimovich Burkov KIA in Guta sector (Mathews and Foreman assume an IL-2) 49th and 50th claims 9.8.41/1330 and 1334 2 x DB-3s Day's losses include 21 DBAP, crew of Lt. Nikolay Gavrilovich Ozeranin brought down by flak and fighters 51st claim 9.8.41/1900 SB-3 3 AE, 57 BAP. 5 losses (two over the target, 3 forcelanded at separate bases) (Versus 5 claims so this one is indeed a legitimate victory) 53rd claim 10.8.41/1055 I-15 Possibly Lt. Anatoli Danilovich Yaremchuk of 127 IAP KIA 54th claim 11.8.41/1425 I-16 “Rata” Possibly Ml.Lt. Boris Alekseyevich Fokin KIA near Yelnya 67th and 68th claims 28.8.41/1812 and 1815 2 x Pe-2s SE of Nowgorod 261 BAP. Crews of Kapitan Yuriy Mykolayovych Garbko (AE CO, returned later with some of his crew), Lt. Alexander Ilyich Lyagushin and Lt. Nikolai Stepanovich Bocharov all shot down (third claim was made by Karl-Gottfried Nordmann so these are again legitimate victories) 70th and 71st claims 30.8.41/1202 and 1203 2 x DB-3s 22 DBAP. 4 losses, further details pending (Legitimate victories: Nordmann and Seelmann inflicted the other two losses) 75th and 76th claims 31.8.41/1120 and 1125 2 x Pe-2s Likely 261 BAP. Crews of Lt. Petr Ivanovich Bormatin and Nikolay Grigoryevich Shirokii all KIA 80th claim 2.12.41/1015 Pe-2 Day's recce losses to fighters include 366 RAP, crew of pilot Pepelevim KIA and navigator Farvaz Husainov WIA. 2 APDR lost crew of Lt. Fiodor Antonovich Koshelev failed to return Also on 2.12.41, Baer claimed 3 x MiGs throughout the day. Day’s losses include Lt. Alexander Petrovich Bogdanov of 177 IAP KIA 83rd and 84th claims 7.12.41/1130 and 1357 2 x Pe-2s One of these was likely 46 BAP. Crew of Lt. Alexey Yemelyanovich Khatuntsev, Lt. Ahtem Abdarman Adji-Khalil and Serzhant Aleksandr Sivkov all KIA 95th claim 19.5.42/0942 R-5 According to allaces.ru, TsAMO 709 NBAP tells us Gersh Nikolaevich Bibikov was listed as killed in a crash this date. Was it due to enemy action and therefore possibly Baer’s victory? Unconfirmed claim 11.10.42 Spitfire *1435 sqn and 126 sqn suffered one Spitfire damaged in the morning (raid commenced 0720) *From 185, 229, 1435 and 126 sqns just after 1000am, another was slightly damaged * Just after 1330, the day’s 3rd raid saw a Spitfire damaged and crashlanded with the pilot unhurt (believe this was EP550), F/L Wally McLeod in BR236/E of 1435 sqn suffered minor damage. EP727/N of Sgt. J F Jarrett suffered damage as well, forcelanding with minor injuries at Takali Full victories were claimed by Schlick, Freytag and Schiess of JG 53 *The fourth raid saw EN200/Q of F/L Bill Rolls damaged in the engine but made it back to Luqa for a safe landing. Serial unknown (codes MK-M) of Sgt. Nigel Park was also damaged and he made it back to Takali.. BR183 of Sgt. David MacLean (KIA) was shot down into the sea. It seems fair to assume Baer’s unconfirmed claim results from having inflicted damage upon one of the Spitfires mentioned above. By no means an overclaim and at the same time, rightfully unconfirmed. 110th and 111th claims 13.10.42/0758 and 0814 2 x Spitfires N of Malta and N of Marsa Scirocco 185 sqn. Two slightly damaged. Further details pending 112th claim 14.10.42/1759 Spitfire Malta Overclaim. This was the last raid of the day and no losses were suffered against it 113th claim 17.10.42/1332 Spitfire SW of Valetta Third raid of the day. 1435 sqn suffered EP259 of P/O Stewart badly shot up and forcelanded back at base 185 sqn suffered EP343 of W/C Thompson hit in the hydraulic system and bellylanded back at base whilst Capt. Kuhlmann (South African) had a wingtip damaged 249 sqn was bounced as well but suffered no losses (Franz Schiess of JG 53 claimed a victory at this time too so one of them got Thompson, the other got Stewart) 114th claim 2.11.42/1450 Hurricane ("Spitfire") SW of El Alamein Probably a 274 sqn Hurricane, 2 losses S of EL Alamein: BE705/D of F/S W S Howie KIA and BP438/J of Sgt. J J Robertson shot down and returned the next day Wulf Focke also claimed a Hurricane and Horst Schlick claimed a P-40 at unlisted times but the same location 15th and 116th claims 3.11.42/1208 and 1210 2 x Hurricanes? (Claimed as "Spitfires") SW of El Alamein 80 and 127 sqns. 80 sqn lost BP337/B, F/L R G Foskett returned; 127 sqn lost BN406 of F/L R C Lawrence KIA, BP292 of Sgt. R R Mayze MIA, BP289 of Sgt. D G Andrews baled out WIA-POW (arm shot off), HM130 of P/O A D Melville KIA, HL629 of P/O A R Rebman KIA, HL773 of Sgt. N G Thomas forcelanded in a minefield; BG904 of F/S B Wilshaw safe and HM140 of Sgt. A R Moulden safe 117th, 118th and 119th claims 3.11.42/1555, 1558 and 1612 3 x Hurricanes? (Claimed as “Curtiss P-40s") Quotaifiya – El Alamein sector Likely 33 sqn. BP161/P of Sgt. F Henfry MIA W of Daba and BP471 of P/O G S M Maxwell safe (both left at 1635 British Timing) All up this date, there were 18 losses attributed to Bf109s versus 19 claims by Bf109 pilots 120th and 121st claims 5.11.42/1340 and 1350 Curtiss P-40 and Spitfire Day's losses include P/O Wilson of 80 sqn. 145 sqn lost F/S Frederick Arthur Stillman. 274 sqn had W/O Neil bale out into sea after being hit by Bf109. 260 sqn had Sgt. Hartting shot down by Bf109. 112 sqn had FR245/GA-B of Sgt. J M McAuley damaged by a Bf109. Another serial lost this day was P-40F 41-14028/FL350. Definite Spitfire losses were BR477 and BR481 (Note: not listed by AHOTMAW 3) 122nd claim 9.11.42/1450 P-40 Kittyhawk III 450 sqn RAAF. FR259 of Sgt. B V Crist was badly damaged, pilot safe and 4 others were slightly damaged 123rd and 124th claims 10.11.42/1434 and 1438 Curtiss P-40E-1 Kittyhawk I E of Sollum 2 claims for 41-36579/EV325 of 2 sqn SAAF. Capt. Jack E Parsonson POW, escaped and returned 17.11.42 125th and 126th claims 11.11.42/0930 and 0938 2 x Curtiss P-40 Day's losses include 2 sqn, SAAF: Lts. Allen-White and Theron, Lts. V R Burdon (KIA EV356/DB-A) and H S McMaster (KIA in a later combat) Lts. Hope and Burls both crashlanded back at base 260 sqn lost Sgt. Williams (forcelanded at Mersa Matruh) and F/S Hill. 4 sqn, SAAF had Maj. Du Troit shot up and forcelanded (returned later on foot). One of the losses was P-40F Kittyhawk IIA 41-13783 or 13784/FL234. 112 sqn had FR217/GA-C of P/O Brian Anthony Fredrick Cuddon shot down near Arco Philaenorum and KIA 127th and 128th claims 7.12.42/1450 and 1452 2 x Spitfires Possibly EP779 of 92 sqn? P/O J Joerns baled out (lost around this time) 129th and 130th 8.12.42/1040 and 1055 2 x Curtiss P-40s AK483 of 5 sqn SAAF. Lt. F T Van Niekerk crashlanded and returned next day 133rd claim 11.12.42/1535 P-40 Kittyhawk E of Ras Umm el Grainagh 112 sqn, two losses: FR255/GA-J of F/S W D Brown (Canadian)(WIA and forcelanded at Magrun) and FR217/GA-C of P/O Brian Anthony Fredrick Cuddon MIA (Heinz-Edgar Berres claimed the other) 136th to 140th claims 14.1.43 3 x Kitthawks (2 claimed as “Spitfires”), 2 x B-25 Mitchells The Kittyhawks: 3 and 450 sqns RAAF plus 250 & 260 sqns. 3 sqn lost FL323 of S/L Bobby Gibbes (crashlanded), FL330 of P/O Les Weatherburn (baled out and POW), 41-14049/FL363 of Sgt. Norm Caldwell (crashlanded), FL346 of F/O William George Diehm and FL346 of F/O Allan Edward Henry Tonkin (KIA). Other losses were F/S Nickolson, Sgt. Frost, Sgt. Cameron, Sgt. Harrison, Sgt. Webster, and Sgt. Kirkman. Total of 11 Kittyhawks shot down. Also lost by 3 sqn was 41-14021/FL345. 41-13990/FL323 also lost this date The Mitchells Is this a misidentification of B-26B-2 41-17890 "Swamp Angel" of 17th BG, shot down 12 miles W of Gabes this date? Or more likely 30 sqn SAAF Boston? 141st and 142nd claims 21.1.43/1515 2 x P-38 Lightnings 97th FS, 82nd FG. Two losses: Lts. Ervin A Lewis and Lloyd F Luddington. One source says they were to Bf109s and another says they were to Italian fighters. FOT says these were from 1st FG, no losses 144th and 145th claims 25.1.43/1235 and 1238 2 x P-40 Warhawks Said to be US-flown machines, otherwise no matching losses. Overclaiming 146th, 147th and 148th claims 27.1.43/1448, 1501 and 1505 3 x P-40E Kittyhawks/Warhawks US known to have suffered one loss (Lt. Middleton of 81st FG?), Free French also involved in this engagement 149th claim, plus one unconfirmed 4.2.43/1420 B-17F-30-BO Flying Fortress 301st BG. Losses were 42-5076 of 32nd BS, 1/Lt. William C Broderick and crew all POW. Attributed to Puschmann, originally to Flak, and 41-24397 "Phyllis" of 352nd BS, Capt. Paul S Julienne Jr plus 7 safe, 1 KIA, 1 WIA 150th and 151st claims 15.2.43/0745 and 0746 2 x Spitfire Vs Combat was with 308th and 309th FS, 31st FG. Overclaiming, only one loss: 1/Lt. Joseph C Reed of 308th FS, KIA (Wolfgang Ernst and Kurt Ubben also claimed in the engagement) 152nd claim 26.2.43/1055 Spitfire V One source says this was IR-G of 244 Wg (borrowed 'Widge' Gleed's Spitfire). S/L L C Wade of 145 sqn bellylanded after cannon strike (attributed to Flak, Baer possibly claimed it) 153rd and 154th claims 26.2.43/1405 and 1415 2 x P-40 Kitthawks 450 sqn RAAF certainly lost P-40K-5-CU 42-9883/FR125 of Sgt F J Silk near Gabes to Bf109s and FR346 of Sgt J Stonely KIA. 3 sqn RAAF lost FL356 of Sgt J G Beer in a crash landing due to combat damage 155th and 156th claims 26.2.43/1703 and 1708 2 x P-40 Kitthawks 2 and 5 sqns SAAF. 2 sqn lost Lt. Platt, 5 sqn lost Lt G.A.L. Dold plus one other unidentified crashlanded 157th claim 27.2.43/1050 Beaufighter Overclaiming, no losses 158th claim 1.3.43/1456 Spitfire V Timing matches with 243 sqn. Two losses: ER495 of Sgt. Payne baled out and ER724 of Sgt. C G Aitken KIA. Location does not match up so well as 243 sqn served in the north, I/JG 77 in the south… 159th claim 3.3.43/0740 Hurricane (mistaken for a "Spitfire", Mathews and Foreman say a “P-40”) HL931 of 73 sqn. F/S J D A Wright POW 160th claim 3.3.43/0745 P-40 Kittyhawk (mistaken for a "Spitfire" as well) Kittyhawk AK967/I of 4 sqn SAAF. Lt. A J Mullany POW 161st claim 5.3.43/0700 or 0758 Spitfire (mistaken for a "P-40E") 92 sqn. This one said to be ER646/QJ- of F/O Bernard Lawrence "Happy" McMahon KIA 5.3.43/0745 Spitfire (also mistaken for a "P-40E") 601 "City of London" sqn. This one said to be BR284/UF-T of F/S John Tilston, baled out safely (Ernst Laube appears to have claimed it as well) 6.3.43/0758 and 1323 2 x Spitfires Day's losses include ER646, presumed downed by a Bf109 this date 166th claim 10.3.43/1632 P-40 Kittyhawk Fuma/Tatauin area (Foum Tatouine) 112 sqn, 6 other losses:42-45865/FR275 of F/S Richard DeBourke (RCAF, American) KIA, FR361 of Sgt. John Henry Oliver RCAF KIA, 42-45885/FR295/GA-G of F/O David Alastair Bruce KIA, also FR292 of Sgt. W Richard Blake (RCAF, American) damaged, FR335 believed to be of Ray "Goose" Guess severely damaged, 42-45798/GA-D of P/O George William Wiley, RCAF ( murdered by Gestapo after the Great Escape) and 42-46154/FR131 of P/O Randolf Charles Carlyle "Smithy" Smith KIA (versus nine claims in total) Unconfirmed claim 13.3.43/1227 P-40E Kittyhawk Day's losses include Maj. Archie J Knight of the 65th or 66th FS, shot down and returned. 57th FG lost 4 P-40s to JG 77. 64th FS lost William E Jenks 324th FG lost Robert F Worley in Y-10 to II/JG 77 (returned, later KIA in Vietnam) and Capt. John D Simpson jnr. 64th FS lost Robert K Douglas POW 23.3.43/1053 P-40 Kittyhawk Was this Lt. L J S Tapson of 4 sqn SAAF? (Possibly actually a flak victim) 23.3.43 Spitfire? ("P-39 Airacobra") Possibly a P-39L-1-BE of 154th OS, 68th OG listed as lost the previous day (date of Baer's claim in error?). Lt. William C Nutzel 167th claim 23.3.43/1043 B-25 Mitchell Tunisia Overclaiming. Only twin-engined loss this date was a Baltimore that crashlanded due to Flak 168th and 169th claims 24.3.43/1010 and 1012 2 x P-40E Kittyhawks Fatnassa Said to be from 58th and 59th FS, 33rd FG. Massive Overclaiming. Only one known loss: 42-10524 of Lt. Robert P Kanter of 58th FS bellylanded in a field, aircraft burnt out (versus at least 5 claims) 170th claim 25.3.43/1209 Baltimore (“Boston”) 21 sqn SAAF. Overclaiming, no actual losses Kurt Niederhagen claimed one as well and the South Africans claimed a kill in return (itself an overclaim) 171st claim 16.4.43/1550 Spitfire Into the sea off the Tunisian coast, NW of Cap Bon Probably ER116 of 145 sqn. Appears to have been lost around this time 19.4.43 Unconfirmed Spitfire Day's losses include Vc EE857 of 232 sqn shot down by Bf109s near Pont du Fahs; EN116 of 72 sqn collided with a Bf109 near Oued Zarga. ER343, ER634 and ES135 of 417 sqn RCAF lost on P-40 escort (versus at least 11 claims….) 10.2.44/1113 B-17G-20-DL Flying Fortress Zwolle-Meppen (PQ FN) @ 7000m Likely two claims for 42-37960 of 728th BS, 452nd BG. 2/Lt. Hugh E Noell Jr and 6 others POW, remaining 3 crewmen all KIA (Hermichen claimed in the same area but much later. I have not yet determined who really shot 42-37960 down.) 21.2.44/1403 P-51B-1-NA Mustang 5km N of Stadthagen (PQ 05 Ost S/GT-58) Likely 43-12161/FT-D of 353rd FS, 354th FG. 1/Lt. John Duane Mattie baled out POW 21.2.44/1525 B-17F-20-DL Flying Fortress NNW of Rheine (PQ 05 Ost S/GP-6)(crashed at Bexten, near Salzberg) 42-3040 "Miss Quachita" of 323rd BS, 91st BG. 2/Lt Spencer K Osterberg and 7 others POW, 2 KIA 25.2.44/1343 B-17F-115-BO Flying Fortress eV Stuttgart area (PQ 04 Ost N/AT-8/9) Likely 42-30678/KY- of 366th BS, 305th BG. 1/Lt. Robert A Safranek and 6 others POW, remaining 3 crewmen all KIA. Definitely already damaged by Flak, so eV is legitimate 3.3.44/1140 P-51B-5-NA Mustang Verden area/SE of Soltau (PQ 05 Ost S/EU-3/6) @ low altitude 43-6740/VF-R of 336th FS, 4th FG. Lt. Glenn A Herter KIA 6.3.44/1210 W of Diepholz (FS-45) @ 6000m B-17G-25-BO Flying Fortress Judging by the timing, was this 42-32002/OE-X "Berlin First" of 335th BS, 95th BG? 2/Lt. Thomas L Barksdale and crew all baled out POW near Barnstorf (Quakenbrueck area) 6.3.44/1445 B-17G-25-BO Flying Fortress Zeventer area (PQ 05 Ost S/GO/GN) 42-31680/PY-P of 407th BS, 92nd BG. Crew of 1/Lt. Elmyran R Cooper all POW except one man KIA 29.3.44/1325 and 1335 2 x P-51B Mustangs Sollingen-Obeisfelde 355th FG? Likely 43-12452/OS-I of 357th FS, Lt. Benjamin D Johnston Jr POW, possibly also 43-6508/OS-O of Lt. Howard L Lambert KIA. 43-6317/YF-C "Duel Purpose" of 358th FS, Capt. James H "Lippy" McConnell POW also lost 11.4.44/1059 B-17F-115-BO Flying Fortress 10km NE of Fallersleben (PQ 15 Ost S/FB-7) Possibly 42-30649/UX- of 327th BS, 92nd BG. 2/Lt. John E Harris and crew all KIA 22.4.44/2008 B-24H-10-CF Liberator Ahlen area (PQ 05 Ost S/JQ or JG 89) @ 7000m (crashed near Hoetmar) 41-29273 "Flak Magnet" of 753rd BS, 458th BG. Crew of 1/Lt. George N Spaven Jr and Lt. Robert L Zedeker (already damaged by Flak) 1.1.45/0923 Typhoon Ib (mistaken for a "Tempest V") Eindhoven airfield PD503/F3-R of 438 sqn, RCAF. F/O Ross Keller KIA 1.1.45/0925 Typhoon Ib (mistaken for a "Tempest V") Eindhoven airfield MN486/D of 168 sqn. F/L Howard Plaistowe Gibbons KIA 19.3.45/1215-1300 P-51D Mustang Near Ingolstadt 52nd FG. 2/ Lt. B H Nippert KIA 9.4.45/1005 B-26G-5-MA Marauder 9km SW of Amberg 43-34334 "Vulgar Vulture" of 556th BS, 387th BG. Crew of Lt. J D Stroud 9.4.45/1006 B-26G-1-MA Marauder Amberg-Kuemmersbruck area 43-34190 of 558th BS, 387th BG. Severely damaged, written off upon return to base |
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Re: Heinz Bar's accuracy in victory claims
Wow, great compilation. Also, December 2,1943 , he claimed a P-38 and a B-17 for no USAAF casualties. Based on this data I would judge him an average claimer , say about 60%.
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Re: Heinz Bar's accuracy in victory claims
Nick,
Thanks for the useful posting. Great research as always, and your candor about the uncertainty about some of the info is appreciated. Regards, Leon Venter |
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Re: Heinz Bar's accuracy in victory claims
Cheers Kaki3152 and Leon.
Always happy to help |
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