Heinz-Edgar Berres

[ouidjat]

Thank you Andrew.

Maybe a typo story here ...

Cheers, Franck.

[Leo Etgen]

Hi guys

I am almost positive that the source for the loss information that I posted was a DVD with scans of the QM 6 microfilms that has since gone bad. It is interesting that Jagdgeschwader 77 by Prien mentions this same aircraft as being lost on two different dates and with two different units. It would be interesting to know what the relevant volume of Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 by Prien mentions regarding this incident.

Horrido!

Leo

[Jim P.]

Here are the losses I have for JG 77 for 3/4-Nov-42 - note that the only source for the 4-Nov loss is the original JG 77 volume from Mr. Prien. It's likely a duplicate entry from that source since all the other WNr. 105x8s are also listed in the original JG 77 history.

Bf 109G-2/trop, 10568, BERRES, Ltn. Edgar, 52, I., Stab I., JG 77, , , , , 03-Nov-42, Luftkampf. F FSA., RK. Stab/JG 77 at Quotaifiya per loss., Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.305; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1315, , nahe Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10657, ./., , III., , JG 77, , , , , 03-Nov-42, Destroyed by own forces., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.333; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1318, , Tanyet-Harun, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10661, ./., , III., , JG 77, , , , , 03-Nov-42, Destroyed by own forces., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.333; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1318, , Tanyet-Harun, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, , Lüdemann, Ltn. Heinz, 5+, III., 8., JG 77, , , , , 04-Nov-42, WIA due to Luftkampf. Safe landing., WIA on 11-Nov in WNr. 10639 per loss!!, Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.333, , Gambut, 10%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10501, n.n., , St., Stab, JG 77, weiße, , , , 04-Nov-42, Undercarriage damage. Destroyed by own forces near the airfield. Wreck found by Brits in Nov-42., At Bir el Akra per loss., Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.269; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1323, p.1316 photo, , Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10508, n.n., , St., Stab, JG 77, , , , , 04-Nov-42, Bruchlandung due to Luftkampf., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.269; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1323, , Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10528, ./., , I., 3., JG 77, , , TN+ED, , 04-Nov-42, Destroyed by own forces., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.305; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1321, Menke, Fl.Pl. Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10533, Schlick, Uffz. Horst, 34, I., 1., JG 77, weiße, 3 +, TN+EI, , 04-Nov-42, Engine trouble. Destroyed by own troops. Machine shortly after captured by Brits., Captured mostly intact per photos., Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.305; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1319-20 photos, Menke, Fl.Pl. Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10548, ./., , I., 1., JG 77, , , TN+EX, , 04-Nov-42, Tiefangriff. Destroyed by own forces., , Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.305; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1319, Menke, Fl.Pl. Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2/trop, 10567, n.n., , I., 1., JG 77, , , , , 04-Nov-42, Bruchlandung. Destroyed by own forces., Crashed during take-off per loss., Ob.Bhf.Süd/Afrika, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.12; Prien, et al, Die Jagdfliegerverbände, VIII.2, p.305; Prien, JG 77, III, p.1319, , Fl.Pl. Bir-el-Abd, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-2, 10568, n.n., , St., Stab, JG 77, , , , , 04-Nov-42, Luftkampf. F OK, FSA., , Afrika, Prien, JG 77, III, p.1319, , bei Quotaifiya, 100%, F, ,

[Karsten]

Date 02.11.1942

For the losses of this date for 1./ JG 77, Prien gives the folloeing names:

10 480 Ltn. Bruno Kolthoff

10 549 Uffz. Horst Schlick

Regards Rüdiger